Non-islamic extremism

this article is interesting and thought provoking, i think it relates almost exclusively to the US but never the less

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27448720

Are white supremacists in the US given too much freedom to make hateful speeches? As a shooting spree in Kansas shines a spotlight on extremist ideology and its virulent nature

He also posted on extremist sites about the need to "kill all" Jewish people and collected names of kosher restaurants, according to authorities.

 

His writings are a reminder of the virulence in white supremacist views. Earlier this month a married couple, Jerad and Amanda Miller (no relation to Frazier Glenn), shot and killed three people in Nevada.

 

The couple was steeped in white-supremacist ideology and spoke openly about their views. Police said they placed a swastika on the body of one of the victims.

 

Some wonder whether authorities were too easy on Frazier Glenn Miller before the killings - and are too soft on the white supremacists in the US.

 

Frazier Glenn Miller, who also goes by the name Cross, was the founder of the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, according to researchers at Southern Poverty Law Center, an organisation that tracks racist groups.

"We're paying all our attention to Islamic terrorism," said David Neiwert, author of Death on the Fourth of July, a book about hate crimes. "And not enough to the biggest problem - the neighbour next door."

Under the first amendment Americans are allowed to say hateful things - with exceptions. If you order someone to commit murder, you can be prosecuted. Otherwise free speech, even when ugly and offensive, is a fundamental right in the US.

 

In an FBI presentation, agents raised the issue of "First Amendment-protected activities" when discussing white supremacists, German said, but not when talking about supporters of "eco-terrorism" and Islamic extremism.

Meanwhile agents have "designated environmental-rights extremists as the number-one threat", he said, though members of right-wing groups kill more people.

Paul Bresson, a spokesman for the FBI, said: "We don't target groups for who they are. If you want to be a white supremacist - legally there's nothing wrong with that.

 

"What we're concerned about is breaking the law."

 

After Miller was released from prison decades ago, he caused few problems for the authorities. Then he apparently decided to "shoot a bunch of Jews and go out with a bang", said Brad DeLay, the sheriff of Lawrence County.

There were 17 assaults against Jews in the US in 2012, according to the Anti-Defamation League. and 31 last year

 

The threat from white supremacists

 

• Far-right extremists have killed 670 people and injured more than 3,000 since 1990

 

• From 2001-2013, 233 people were charged with "jihadist terrorism" in the US, while 178 "non-jihadists" were charged

 

• Right-wing extremists killed 34 individuals, while those identified as "jihadists" killed 21

 

Sources: Combating Terrorism Center at West Point, New America Foundation

ive pulled up most of the bits i found interesting, it shows how difficult the balance is between the "free speech" we all know and enjoy (to a certain extent) and the need to keep us safe.

im not sure there is an easy way to keep free speech and freedom of thinking yet stop people from suddenly deciding to act out these thoughts?

its scary thinking they can only be stopped when they have killed a person / persons.

i mean this guy was a convicted criminal on weapons charges, a known racist and jew hater who actually went as far as writing books and creating a chapter of the ku klux klan, yet the police cant really stop him as they are his freedoms and can only, once hes killed, which for some persons family is obviously too late

something i found shocking was the bit about eco "terrorists" being further up the ladder of investigation than white supremicists too.

is this down to money? money versus life? eco terrorists generally halt production, destroy product or infrastructure NOT KILL, white supremicists are known to kill, theres been two sets in the past few months.

I know it's of a different scale to the above, however I thought it was interesting when the debate about the alleged radicalisation and take over of Birmingham schools a few weeks ago, the mainstream media ignored the 50 fundamentalist Christian schools in England which teaches some pretty unsavoury ideas. I forget their name, but I seem to recall the acronym which was A.C.E(?)

The only really disturbing extremists are those of the Left, who dont even have a God to blame for their delusions.

The only really disturbing extremists are those of the Left, who dont even have a God to blame for their delusions.

thats one warped mind then if ONLY the disturbing extremists are lefties, that means plenty of murderers arent obviously disturbing to you

The only really disturbing extremists are those of the Left, who dont even have a God to blame for their delusions.

Really? What about AIMS of Industry, the National Front/BNP, Consulting Association?

Is to commit murder a choice of view in life then?

you trying to start a car with that silly smiley thing

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Really? What about AIMS of Industry, the National Front/BNP, Consulting Association?

BNP etc are just a joke for idiots to join up and feel good about thier sad lives

The far left are still (in a cery small way) dangerously revolutionary...Its jsut that any normal people seem to laugh at them a lot more than they used to do.

Is to commit murder a choice of view in life then?

you trying to start a car with that silly smiley thing

 

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BNP etc are just a joke for idiots to join up and feel good about thier sad lives

 

The far left are still (in a cery small way) dangerously revolutionary

lmao

you really are still living in the 70s, if you really believe that, name ONE really dangerous lefty group these days, proper lefty

my view of lefty would include Gordon Brown.....Im really not very Socialist friendly at all.

Is to commit murder a choice of view in life then?

you trying to start a car with that silly smiley thing

 

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BNP etc are just a joke for idiots to join up and feel good about thier sad lives

 

The far left are still (in a cery small way) dangerously revolutionary...Its jsut that any normal people seem to laugh at them a lot more than they used to do.

Wow with such forensic debating skills, and rapier like wit such as you've displayed there, I'm sure that you'll have most people convinced of your opinions

my view of lefty would include Gordon Brown.....Im really not very Socialist friendly at all.

and hes dangerous because?

so theres a thread about ku klux klan chapter forming, jew hating murdering weaponary criminals and you try to defend them by classifying gordon brown as........dangerous Oo

Why would I want to convince anyone?

Going back to the original post, I'm sure I read that the mass murderer Anders Brevik quoted Melanie Phillips in his rantings about multiculturalism, all the while she was warning others about giving succour to Islamist extremists...and she is definitely not left wing!