Robin-H   11 #1897 Posted May 28, 2018 According to this, https://www.arborday.org/trees/treeguide/TreeDetail.cfm?ItemID=904 a mature London Plane is between 75ft and 100ft tall with a spread of 80ft. According to the SCC report https://planningapps.sheffield.gov.uk/online-applications/files/A54E2212C1B69F1EA55BE63BB3D3E145/pdf/17_04081_RG3-TREE_CONDITION_SURVEY_FITZALAN_SQUARE-1153346.pdf the trees in Fitzalan Square are 14m high (46ft) with a spread of 12m (39ft) - so less than half the size of a mature tree.  Using your human analogy, early maturity here is more early adolescence compared to a full grown adult in their prime.  You're arguing the wrong thing.  Nobody has said that they are large examples of London Plane trees, and therefore the fact that London Plane trees can grow bigger than the ones in Fitzalan Square is irrelevant.  It is the comparison with the trees in Fitzalan Square with any other trees that was the point I was making. They were some of largest trees in the city centre, and had large canopies compared with not only the other trees in the city centre, but fully grown mature trees of other species. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Eater Sundae   12 #1898 Posted May 28, 2018 (edited) It's not eloquently put when you investigate and realise that it's just flimflam is it. We do have a good idea what the trees will be and all the claims are in fact correct aren't they.  What are the trees?  What birds, mammals and insects made use of the old trees?  What birds, mammals and insects will make use of the new trees?  Will the change be a net improvement? If not, what will the loss if any be?  Will the proposed design (trees and grass) provide an improvement or not in terms of flood prevention? Can you quantify any changes  Maybe it’s about time you put up or shut up as you clearly know so much, or claim to. Edited May 28, 2018 by Eater Sundae Typo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Cyclone   10 #1899 Posted May 29, 2018 Robin has already answered most of these questions I think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Guest makapaka   #1900 Posted May 29, 2018 Robin has already answered most of these questions I think.  Has he? In which post? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
monkey104   10 #1901 Posted May 29, 2018 I passed the square for the first time in quite a while last night and noticed the missing trees. My first thoughts were, where are we going to escape the searing sun, how is the ground water going to drain away, what are we going to do without all the bird droppings on the floor, they used to be a lovely shape and I wonder what shape the new trees are going to be? No, actually I didn’t give a monkey’s. I just thought it looked nice and tidy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
the fonz   10 #1902 Posted May 29, 2018 How many people actually use square other than to walk past? are people seriously arguing the space hasnt benefited from being opened up?  Perhaps the wrong tress were planted in the first place as suitable trees are ones which work and create a usable pleasant space. Fitzalen Square wasnt that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Eater Sundae   12 #1903 Posted May 29, 2018 Can somebody provide a link to the planning document for Fitzalan Square that is on the Sheffield.gov website. It is a document with a lot of embedded documents, including layout drawings, report on existing trees etc. I know it’s there as I’ve seen it before but I can’t find it again. I must be looking in the wrong part of their site, but can’t remember what I must have done differently before. Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
cgksheff   44 #1904 Posted May 29, 2018 (edited) All Public Documents: https://planningapps.sheffield.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=OX1IUENYM0500   Tree Survey Report: https://planningapps.sheffield.gov.uk/online-applications/files/A54E2212C1B69F1EA55BE63BB3D3E145/pdf/17_04081_RG3-TREE_CONDITION_SURVEY_FITZALAN_SQUARE-1153346.pdf  Planning Report: https://planningapps.sheffield.gov.uk/online-applications/files/7BDE5A41A33063FA227CE9F3FC3EA184/pdf/17_04081_RG3-FITZALAN_SQUARE_FULL_REPORT_SMALL-1153348.pdf  Visualisation: https://planningapps.sheffield.gov.uk/online-applications/files/63233F32610A993CD192076760C0A56A/pdf/17_04081_RG3-VISUAL__24.10.17_-1166299.pdf Edited May 29, 2018 by cgksheff Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Robin-H   11 #1905 Posted May 29, 2018 I passed the square for the first time in quite a while last night and noticed the missing trees. My first thoughts were, where are we going to escape the searing sun, how is the ground water going to drain away, what are we going to do without all the bird droppings on the floor, they used to be a lovely shape and I wonder what shape the new trees are going to be? No, actually I didn’t give a monkey’s. I just thought it looked nice and tidy.  And some people do think those things. What’s your point? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Eater Sundae   12 #1906 Posted May 29, 2018 All Public Documents: https://planningapps.sheffield.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=OX1IUENYM0500   Tree Survey Report: https://planningapps.sheffield.gov.uk/online-applications/files/A54E2212C1B69F1EA55BE63BB3D3E145/pdf/17_04081_RG3-TREE_CONDITION_SURVEY_FITZALAN_SQUARE-1153346.pdf  Planning Report: https://planningapps.sheffield.gov.uk/online-applications/files/7BDE5A41A33063FA227CE9F3FC3EA184/pdf/17_04081_RG3-FITZALAN_SQUARE_FULL_REPORT_SMALL-1153348.pdf  Visualisation: https://planningapps.sheffield.gov.uk/online-applications/files/63233F32610A993CD192076760C0A56A/pdf/17_04081_RG3-VISUAL__24.10.17_-1166299.pdf  Thank you. I now realise I’d seen them on here and not via the Sheffield council web page, which helps explain why I couldn’t find them now. Thanks for posting them again Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
alsatian   10 #1907 Posted May 29, 2018 What are the trees?  They are like really big plants that grow out of the ground but that's not important right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
redfox   10 #1908 Posted May 29, 2018 Has he? In which post?  Why don't you ask him? Or even better have a look back at his posts.   I am waiting for you to answer the question i asked as to the views on street tree removal you accept. I cannot see why you have failed to answer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...