Second referendum time? SF Poll

Why do you not favour a second referendum?

It is not necessary and will only be devisive.

I have always said that the 2016 vote was only advisory and the fact that neither side could convince more than 38% of the electorate of their argument meant that the only logical advice that can be taken is that there was no overwhelming desire for change.

Unfortunately the repeated mantra (and untruth) that this is 'the will of the people' by ALL sides in the debate has led to a perception that the majority of people in the UK want to leave the EU and an expectation that this will happen.

This makes it very hard for a government to have the courage to put the interests of the country first and sack the whole thing off as a really bad idea. Unfortunately we may now have to be staring right down the barrel of a gun before this happens.

It is not necessary and will only be devisive.

 

I have always said that the 2016 vote was only advisory and the fact that neither side could convince more than 38% of the electorate of their argument meant that the only logical advice that can be taken is that there was no overwhelming desire for change.

 

Unfortunately the repeated mantra (and untruth) that this is 'the will of the people' by ALL sides in the debate has led to a perception that the majority of people in the UK want to leave the EU and an expectation that this will happen.

 

This makes it very hard for a government to have the courage to put the interests of the country first and sack the whole thing off as a really bad idea. Unfortunately we may now have to be staring right down the barrel of a gun before this happens.

Surely, 'doing what's best for someone' , despite being told they want otherwise is a dangerous mantra? Where does that end in a democracy?

Surely, 'doing what's best for someone' , despite being told they want otherwise is a dangeroys mantra? Where does that end in a democracy?

They don't want otherwise.

Nobody has ever demonstrated that the majority of people in the UK wished to leave the EU in 2016, and poll after poll have shown that even less do now. Changing tack on Brexit now has no democratic implication other than a semantic discussion of the relevance of an inconclusive poll nearly three years ago, to the real world of 2019.

Sure, some people will be annoyed (probably not as many as will be relieved!) but so what? Doing the right thing isn't always popular.

A number of battles in World War Two went disastrously wrong for the Germans because Hitler had made it clear that retreat, surrender or a change of plan would not be tolerated. A few brave Generals stopped the inevitable slaughter of many of their men and took an SS bullet for it. Many others didn't and ended up dead anyway but at the hands of the enemy.

Pressing on with a dangerous plan regardless, especially past the point where it become obvious that it will fail, is in no one's interest.

They don't want otherwise.

 

Nobody has ever demonstrated that the majority of people in the UK wished to leave the EU in 2016, and poll after poll have shown that even less do now. Changing tack on Brexit now has no democratic implication other than a semantic discussion of the relevance of an inconclusive poll nearly three years ago, to the real world of 2019.

 

Sure, some people will be annoyed (probably not as many as will be relieved!) but so what? Doing the right thing isn't always popular.

 

A number of battles in World War Two went disastrously wrong for the Germans because Hitler had made it clear that retreat, surrender or a change of plan would not be tolerated. A few brave Generals stopped the inevitable slaughter of many of their men and took an SS bullet for it. Many others didn't and ended up dead anyway but at the hands of the enemy.

 

Pressing on with a dangerous plan regardless, especially past the point where it become obvious that it will fail, is in no one's interest.

We had a referendum, and the majority who voted, selected Leave. It had very high turnout. Selecting a path contrary to it is more than annoying. The only democratic way to take a different path is by a repeat, or a gm where the winning party had that as their policy.

Labour had chance to do that at the last gm, but didn't.

 

Nobody has ever demonstrated that the majority of people in the UK wished to leave the EU in 2016,

Nobody has to.

As you well know it is judged on the results of the electoral turnout on the day, just as in any GE, and on the day the majority voted leave. If you look at the above poll the majority dont want another referendum either.

We had a referendum, and the majority who voted, selected Leave. It had very high turnout. Selecting a path contrary to it is more than annoying. The only democratic way to take a different path is by a repeat, or a gm where the winning party had that as their policy.

Labour had chance to do that at the last gm, but didn't.

High turnout, with a statistically low margin.

Once the true stories of external influence, law breaking etc have come out, together with the true impact of the reult, many people want to have a chance to change their minds, but they are being denied their democratic right.

Thus a second referendum should be held with well defined margins.

High turnout, with a statistically low margin.

 

Once the true stories of external influence, law breaking etc have come out, together with the true impact of the reult, many people want to have a chance to change their minds, but they are being denied their democratic right.

 

Thus a second referendum should be held with well defined margins.

The many who believed Osborne and Cameron may also change their minds....

Once the true stories of external influence, law breaking etc have come out, together with the true impact of the reult, many people want to have a chance to change their minds, but they are being denied their democratic right.

 

Thus a second referendum should be held with well defined margins.

You dont have a democratic right to change your mind though, or demand a second referendum.

You dont have a democratic right to change your mind though, or demand a second referendum.

You should abide by what Parliament decides. So if a second referendum is given, what will you do?

You dont have a democratic right to change your mind though, or demand a second referendum.

What was it that David Davies (remember him?) said?

"If a democracy cannot change its mind, it ceases to be a democracy”.

So moving towards Leave means that the UK ceases to be a democracy - and yet you continues to spout about democratic choice?

Hypocrite!

You dont have a democratic right to change your mind though, or demand a second referendum.

I can demand what I like, lobbyists and pressure groups and government departments do it every day. Some get what they want, some don't.

 

Nobody has to.

 

I'm afraid you do.

I'm saying that the government can stop Brexit without a referendum because the majority of people in the UK have never wanted to leave.

If you disagree with that then you either have to demonstrate that the majority do wish to leave or justify why such a fundamental move should be made without the backing of the majority.