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11-01-2018, 11:54   #1
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Sheffield is the biggest beneficiary from overseas students in proportion to its economy.
Sheffield Central constituency benefits most in the country at 226 million.

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Apologies for mispelling 'overseas' in the title.

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Sheffield is the biggest beneficiary from overseas students in proportion to its economy.
Sheffield Central constituency benefits most in the country at 226 million.

Higher Education Policy Institute.

Apologies for mispelling 'overseas' in the title.
Too bad the referendum and the government's handling of it frightened them off, and the government is busy adding insult to injury.

In that context, Sheffield's pro-Brexit overall vote reminds me of all these Sunderland car makers, Grimsby fishmongers, <etc.> voting for Brexit
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11-01-2018, 13:56   #3
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B-b-but Farage, Johnson and the rest of the crazy xenophobic Brexiteers don't want them here.

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Too bad the referendum and the government's handling of it frightened them off, and the government is busy adding insult to injury.

In that context, Sheffield's pro-Brexit overall vote reminds me of all these Sunderland car makers, Grimsby fishmongers, <etc.> voting for Brexit
Look who essentially voted for Brexit - the elderly and those without academic qualifications - a bitter cocktail of xenophobia and envy with mind-blowing stupidity thrown in for good measure.

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Look who essentially voted for Brexit - the elderly and those without academic qualifications - a bitter cocktail of xenophobia and envy with mind-blowing stupidity thrown in for good measure.
For your reading pleasure, and very topical: Sheffield's referendum results explain why Britain voted for Brexit (2016 article, "Sheffield graduate population vs wider region working class population")
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Too bad the referendum and the government's handling of it frightened them off, and the government is busy adding insult to injury.

In that context, Sheffield's pro-Brexit overall vote reminds me of all these Sunderland car makers, Grimsby fishmongers, <etc.> voting for Brexit
That's not true actually.

EU students pay UK-level fees. Non-EU students pay much more. As numbers are capped, the more non-EU students universities get at the expense of EU ones, the more money they get. It's why all the foreign students here are already mostly Chinese, Malaysian and American. EU students are poor value, so for a good decade or so there's been disincentives against trying to recruit them.

The more places freed up for RoW students, the more money comes into the city
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Too bad the referendum and the government's handling of it frightened them off
But as this is about Sheffield Universities students this bit needs pointing out:

"The University of Sheffield – a member of the Russell Group – said it has managed to buck the post-Brexit trend in recruiting EU students. It expects to see an increase in applications from the EU, after putting in extra effort through the networks it has built up around Europe."
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That's not true actually.

EU students pay UK-level fees. Non-EU students pay much more. As numbers are capped, the more non-EU students universities get at the expense of EU ones, the more money they get. It's why all the foreign students here are already mostly Chinese, Malaysian and American. EU students are poor value, so for a good decade or so there's been disincentives against trying to recruit them.

The more places freed up for RoW students, the more money comes into the city
Numbers haven't been capped since 2015, and the pre-referendum trend (as mentioned in the article, and independently quoted by apelike above) was one of year-on-year increase, notwithstanding any such 'disincentives'.
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But as this is about Sheffield Universities students this bit needs pointing out:

"The University of Sheffield – a member of the Russell Group – said it has managed to buck the post-Brexit trend in recruiting EU students. It expects to see an increase in applications from the EU, after putting in extra effort through the networks it has built up around Europe."
Trust you to try and refocus on the front tree, instead of the background forest

Must have been the 'Brexit' mention, that thread has gone very quiet.

PS: How did Phil and David's most excellent adventure in Germany go, yesterday?
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11-01-2018, 14:47   #8
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For your reading pleasure, and very topical: Sheffield's referendum results explain why Britain voted for Brexit (2016 article, "Sheffield graduate population vs wider region working class population")
And Brexit areas will pay dearly for this. No more investment from Europe and ever-deeper cuts to pay the massive bill for Brexit - and it won't just be the 40 billion so far - that is only the first downpayment. Subsequent downpayments will take that towards 200 billion - to be paid by today's youngsters over a number of years. On top of that, there is Brexit shaving 1% off the growth figures over the next six or so years.
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Too bad the referendum and the government's handling of it frightened them off, and the government is busy adding insult to injury.

In that context, Sheffield's pro-Brexit overall vote reminds me of all these Sunderland car makers, Grimsby fishmongers, <etc.> voting for Brexit
Wow! I have purposely not read any of your posts for awhile due to your bitter recriminations.
It would seem you are still carrying a hatred for the majority of the voting members of the UK.
Pherhaps a little holiday from Social media in a secluded room may help.
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But as this is about Sheffield Universities students this bit needs pointing out:

"The University of Sheffield – a member of the Russell Group – said it has managed to buck the post-Brexit trend in recruiting EU students. It expects to see an increase in applications from the EU, after putting in extra effort through the networks it has built up around Europe."
Sheffield has an arms-length campus at Thessaloniki (http://citycollege.sheffield.eu). That PR spin just means that that's growing within Greece.

There are a few Irish students around, but has anyone come across any German, French, Italian, Dutch, Spanish etc. students in the last 10-15 years? Compared to the hundreds and hundreds of Chinese, Malaysian, Indian and Americans you meet everywhere.
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11-01-2018, 16:05   #11
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Wow! I have purposely not read any of your posts for awhile due to your bitter recriminations.
It would seem you are still carrying a hatred for the majority of the voting members of the UK.
Pherhaps a little holiday from Social media in a secluded room may help.
dont worry all of britain will be in that secluded room soon
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Sheffield has an arms-length campus at Thessaloniki (http://citycollege.sheffield.eu). That PR spin just means that that's growing within Greece.

There are a few Irish students around, but has anyone come across any German, French, Italian, Dutch, Spanish etc. students in the last 10-15 years? Compared to the hundreds and hundreds of Chinese, Malaysian, Indian and Americans you meet everywhere.
That could possibly be due to the cost of fees. Out of the ones you mention they all have much lower fees with the exception of the Dutch which is relatively high. The UK also has higher fees so will attract those that are willing to pay.

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Trust you to try and refocus on the front tree, instead of the background forest

Must have been the 'Brexit' mention, that thread has gone very quiet.
Not surprising as all the doom and gloom merchants have nothing to moan about.
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11-01-2018, 16:27   #13
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Wow! I have purposely not read any of your posts for awhile due to your bitter recriminations.
It would seem you are still carrying a hatred for the majority of the voting members of the UK.
Pherhaps a little holiday from Social media in a secluded room may help.
My relative absence from SF since the run up to Christmas must have escaped you, then.

Perhaps putting me on your 'ignore' list may help: it will give you the impression that I'm on a permanent holiday, and save you from reading any of my posts
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Not surprising as all the doom and gloom merchants have nothing to moan about.
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11-01-2018, 19:10   #14
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Another brexit thread,great.
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11-01-2018, 20:10   #15
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I jus wish someone would teach the Chinese students...
How to cross the road properly
The concept of queuing
How to shop in Tesco without blocking an aisle with your trolley
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B-b-but Farage, Johnson and the rest of the crazy xenophobic Brexiteers don't want them here.

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Look who essentially voted for Brexit - the elderly and those without academic qualifications - a bitter cocktail of xenophobia and envy with mind-blowing stupidity thrown in for good measure.


Been a Brexiteer I supported UKip and Nigel throughout the whole of the campaign. Never did I hear from Nigel that He or UKip did not want foreign students in either Sheffield or the UK.

I assume that it can be verified that he did actualy say that Students were not welcome in the UK and Sheffield. Or is it just another Remoaner making up their own agenda.

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Been a Brexiteer I supported UKip and Nigel throughout the whole of the campaign. Never did I hear from Nigel that He or UKip did not want foreign students in either Sheffield or the UK.

I assume that it can be verified that he did actualy say that Students were not welcome in the UK and Sheffield. Or is it just another Remoaner making up their own agenda.

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I feel that it is those who voted remain who are scaring the students. In particular people like James O'Brien on LBC. He uses these people for his own ends. By scaring them, with fake stories about them not being welcome, it gives him a reason to go on a rant. I've yet to meet anyone who wants students to leave. I voted Brexit but would take students out of the immigration numbers and let them stay after their courses if the skills they have learnt are needed.
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Been a Brexiteer I supported UKip and Nigel throughout the whole of the campaign. Never did I hear from Nigel that He or UKip did not want foreign students in either Sheffield or the UK.

I assume that it can be verified that he did actualy say that Students were not welcome in the UK and Sheffield. Or is it just another Remoaner making up their own agenda.

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Well he was quoted before the campaign as saying that UKIPs immigration policy was to "accommodate sensible numbers of foreign students" which implies that he didn't think that the numbers coming were sensible.

Regardless of whether there's a direct quote or not it's a bit disingenous to pretend that his/UKIP/Tory (little difference between them) immigration policies as a whole are not interlinked with
the number of foreign students who would want to come here to study. The UK being seen to be less tolerant towards immigrants/foreigners over the past few years and the subsequent reduction in the number of foreign students coming here has gone hand in hand. They're not separate events.

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I feel that it is those who voted remain who are scaring the students. In particular people like James O'Brien on LBC. He uses these people for his own ends. By scaring them, with fake stories about them not being welcome
Reported hate crimes against foreigners have increased by 29% since the EU Referendum. I'm sure that was all the fault of Remain voters too...
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Well he was quoted before the campaign as saying that UKIPs immigration policy was to "accommodate sensible numbers of foreign students" which implies that he didn't think that the numbers coming were sensible.

Regardless of whether there's a direct quote or not it's a bit disingenous to pretend that his/UKIP/Tory (little difference between them) immigration policies as a whole are not interlinked with
the number of foreign students who would want to come here to study. The UK being seen to be less tolerant towards immigrants/foreigners over the past few years and the subsequent reduction in the number of foreign students coming here has gone hand in hand. They're not separate events.

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Reported hate crimes against foreigners have increased by 29% since the EU Referendum. I'm sure that was all the fault of Remain voters too...
I don't believe that figure. Its politically motivated..
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