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12-07-2018, 11:34   #1
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Sheffield council are to start introducing red line routes in an attempt to stop selfish parents parking right outside schools starting with totley .will drivers take any notice or not ?
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12-07-2018, 11:38   #2
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Name and shame em.

People should take photos of their cars parked illegally and post them online.
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12-07-2018, 11:43   #3
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Lines may be on the floor but will there be anyone around to enforce them???

No excuse for bad parking outside schools, it's lazy and dangerous.
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12-07-2018, 12:04   #4
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Would this be any different to the current situation, where road markings are not enforced.

Will penalties be any different?
Will there be more enforcement?

If not, then I don’t see the point.
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12-07-2018, 12:06   #5
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You can't park on the yellow zig-zags anyway...where will the red routes stretch? Will this mean local residents won't be able to park near schools?
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12-07-2018, 12:10   #6
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You can't park on the yellow zig-zags anyway...where will the red routes stretch? Will this mean local residents won't be able to park near schools?
Possibly - but if it makes it safer that's a good thing isn't it.
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12-07-2018, 12:25   #7
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Would people know what the new markings mean? Yellow lines, zig zags, kerb markings etc have been around for years and are already ignored. People who understand the current markings but choose to ignore them are likely to ignore any new ones. And added to them will be those people who do not understand the new markings.

My preference would be heavy enforcement of current markings with immediate penalties or retrospective backed up with video evidence, in case it’s impractical to book people in the short time they are there. Go round the problem schools, one at a time, a couple of day’s each. That should concentrate the minds of the bad drivers, and things will soon improve. No doubt, over time, standards will drop again. Then another little purge will be needed to improve things again.
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12-07-2018, 12:27   #8
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Possibly - but if it makes it safer that's a good thing isn't it.
You'd need to ask people affected by this...see what they think I suppose...
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12-07-2018, 12:31   #9
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You'd need to ask people affected by this...see what they think I suppose...
Not really - I don't need to know about where someone parks their car to know that I would advocate making children safer.
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News story on it here:

http://www.sheffieldnewsroom.co.uk/red_route_unveiled/

Like Geared said, it won't make a blind bit of difference if there's nobody there to police it and fine the motorists.
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12-07-2018, 13:07   #11
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So more legislation (and expense) to be ignored. Why not enforce the existing laws about not parking in restricted areas? Who will be enforcing this legislation?

I believe it is Sheffield City Council's parking services team that deal with parking on double yellow lines, not the police. So you have the situation recently, on Main Road Darnall outside Dobsons, where police were dealing with cars parked on the zig-zag lines for the crossing and waiting for Sheffield City Council's parking services team to turn up and deal with cars parked on the double yellow lines
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12-07-2018, 13:18   #12
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Not really - I don't need to know about where someone parks their car to know that I would advocate making children safer.
There's a specific problem caused by parents for about two hours of the day, but you'd not be interested in the views of residents who will be affected 24hrs a day and most likely don't park like idiots anyway...
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12-07-2018, 13:40   #13
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As far as I understand it, red routes in other cities are often enforced by camera, rather than relying on a person to be present to witness a breaking of the law.

As red routes are being implemented here, I wonder if that means that there's a legal difference in how routes may be monitored and enforced, between yellow zigzags and red routes?

Someone operating a camera and viewing footage from several routes from a remote location would be much harder to ignore or avoid, and it wouldn't take long for people to understand that the red routes actually do mean that you can't stop except when in a queue of traffic.
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12-07-2018, 13:55   #14
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From a parent's perspective this seems a bit draconian and short sighted. Depending on what radius around the school are going to be restricted.

I would love to be able to avoid having to drop off my kids at school by car, I really would. At the moment walking/cycling are not feasible due to safety issues. There is no suitable bus service. Dropping them off by car is the only option available to me.

All the available spaces in the vicinity of their schools are already full most mornings. Usually I manage to find somewhere, but I admit that *occasionally* I do stop on a double yellow for ~90 seconds (not right outside school and hopefully without causing anyone inconvenience). But only because I really can see no other solution.

I'm all for enforcing the existing restrictions in the immediate vicinity of the school, but a bit of consideration for those who have no other option would be good.
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12-07-2018, 13:56   #15
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There's a specific problem caused by parents for about two hours of the day, but you'd not be interested in the views of residents who will be affected 24hrs a day and most likely don't park like idiots anyway...
Where's the like button? Go get 'em Cyclone :-)
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12-07-2018, 14:16   #16
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As far as I understand it, red routes in other cities are often enforced by camera, rather than relying on a person to be present to witness a breaking of the law.

As red routes are being implemented here, I wonder if that means that there's a legal difference in how routes may be monitored and enforced, between yellow zigzags and red routes?

Someone operating a camera and viewing footage from several routes from a remote location would be much harder to ignore or avoid, and it wouldn't take long for people to understand that the red routes actually do mean that you can't stop except when in a queue of traffic.
So there'll be several people employed to monitor the various zones.

I get a distinct feeling many more red routes will be put out across the city, because those camera people are going to need something to do outside of school rush hours.
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12-07-2018, 15:11   #17
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There's a specific problem caused by parents for about two hours of the day, but you'd not be interested in the views of residents who will be affected 24hrs a day and most likely don't park like idiots anyway...
Well unless they’re going to put the lines in places that are safe to park in there is nothing to worry about.
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12-07-2018, 15:25   #18
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Sheffield council are to start introducing red line routes in an attempt to stop selfish parents parking right outside schools starting with totley .will drivers take any notice or not ?
If bus lane enforcement along Ecclesall Road and Abbeydale Road is anything to go by, then no.
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12-07-2018, 15:40   #19
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News story on it here:

http://www.sheffieldnewsroom.co.uk/red_route_unveiled/

Like Geared said, it won't make a blind bit of difference if there's nobody there to police it and fine the motorists.
Just like the 20mph speed limits on side roads, unless people have seen the police actually using speed cameras on the side roads, I haven't seen any.
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12-07-2018, 15:55   #20
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From a parent's perspective this seems a bit draconian and short sighted. Depending on what radius around the school are going to be restricted.

I would love to be able to avoid having to drop off my kids at school by car, I really would. At the moment walking/cycling are not feasible due to safety issues. There is no suitable bus service. Dropping them off by car is the only option available to me.

All the available spaces in the vicinity of their schools are already full most mornings. Usually I manage to find somewhere, but I admit that *occasionally* I do stop on a double yellow for ~90 seconds (not right outside school and hopefully without causing anyone inconvenience). But only because I really can see no other solution.

I'm all for enforcing the existing restrictions in the immediate vicinity of the school, but a bit of consideration for those who have no other option would be good.
Serious question : what would you do if you didn't have a car?
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