The Consequences of Brexit [part 5] Read 1st post before posting

A referendum is a once in generation event.

Why? Because you say so?

Many UK people have been unhappy about the UK's membership of the EU for more than a generation and waited decades before they had a chance to have their say via the ballot box on the issue. The young people who missed out on voting in the 2016 EU referendum will have to do exactly what the young people who missed out on the 1975 EEC referendum have done and that is to accept the consequences and vote in General Elections which come around again very quickly.

No they won't. We'll be having a second referendum on the issue.

Ludicrous? Really?

 

If you are hurtling towards a cliff edge in a truck and someone suggests that the brakes aren't working you don't keep going just to see if they really aren't working, you stop!

Your hysteria is embarrassing. The UK are not a poor third World country who rely on foreign aid and have been told they will no longer be getting any money to help them.

The UK are not a poor third World country who rely on foreign aid and have been told they will no longer be getting any money to help them.

You need to make up your mind.

One minute you're saying it could well be a disaster but that doesn't matter as it is the will of the 'democratic people', the next you are saying everything will be fine!

The truth is, you haven't a clue and what's worse you don't seem to care!

Your hysteria is embarrassing. The UK are not a poor third World country who rely on foreign aid and have been told they will no longer be getting any money to help them.

We were being compared to Greece a few years ago. Yes the UK has a lot of wealth, but that wealth does not mean that the UK has contented citizens.

Your hysteria is embarrassing. The UK are not a poor third World country who rely on foreign aid and have been told they will no longer be getting any money to help them.

Not yet

So what makes EU migrants different from Pakistani/Indian/Sri Lankan migrants in that regard?

 

Bloody bold statement that isn't founded on anything concrete. Read my answer to the below for an explanation of what is happening and why it is:

 

 

 

That isn't the entire answer,

 

Skill shortages at first sight are the result of a shortage of people with particular skills. So the problem should reduce by training more people in those areas, as the above reasoning goes.

 

In fact it is more important to study why those skill shortages occur, it turns out that a flexible economy can only exist in a state whereby it can change from one set of skills to the next. This isn't just for high-tech stuff, the same happens in more traditional professions, such as nursing. How many MRI specialists did we need in the NHS 50 years ago for example? How about surgeons that operate keyhole laser surgery?

 

The solution is to see the economy as a vessel of water, such as a peddling pool in the rear garden. If it is a small pool and you jump into it, the water will get disturbed much more than when it is a full size olympic pool. So the solution to stability whilst retaining the flexibility to operate in a strong economy is: to increase the size of the economy through principles of freedom of movement of goods, people, services and money.

 

Yes, training and education is incredibly important, it is what keeps the pool 'clean' so to speak, but being part of an enormous market helps a lot as well. The reasoning that immigrants (like me) are here to 'cash the cow' is nonsense. The vast majority have come for a wide range of reasons and motivations. Whether it was to escape abject poverty in Africa, persecution for faith in Asia, or simply to change things up and have better career opportunities for someone from Europe.

The cash cow bit isn’t about all immigrants, it’s about the ones that just pitch up here with no intention of settling here and the only aim is to earn money and then go back. Positive immigrants like yourself who have come here and settled are not the ones I’m talking about and I say the same about the ones from India and Pakistan too.

It's ludicrous to suggest there should be another referendum on the same issue before the changes decided in the last referendum have been implemented. Do you think Scotland would have had another independence referendum, if they had democratically voted to be independent before they had become independent?

The last referendum did not outline the detail of the changes.

There’s nothing ludicrous about giving people the democratic right to decide whether we commit to changes that will change our lives for decades.

That is how democracy works

The cash cow bit isn’t about all immigrants, it’s about the ones that just pitch up here with no intention of settling here and the only aim is to earn money and then go back. Positive immigrants like yourself who have come here and settled are not the ones I’m talking about and I say the same about the ones from India and Pakistan too.

Fair enough, but here's the thing: If the work isn't available those economic migrants wouldn't come. The economy in Britain has grown because there were enough people available to carry out the work required to grow.

Also, as you know, a lot of South Asian immigrants originally came here as economic migrants, invited to work in mills. Many of the first generation anticipated going back 'home' once they had earned a decent amount. Yet most ended up staying here and raising their children here. The same will be true for many of the EU migrants.

how are you going to convince the Brexit heartlands to vote remain given such places have strong views on immigration and blame it on various issue's?

By rigourously challenging the lies that have caused them to form those opinions.

A good example is that the health service is at breaking point because of the strain put on it by immigrants. The Migration study published only yesterday, clearly stated that immigration has had a minimal effect on health provision.

Now there will always be people who are too stupid or simply just don't like immigrants. The last thing we should do is pander to them. If they really don't like living in a modern multicultural society maybe they should relocate to rural Bulgaria which I hear is very like England in the 1950s.

They might have to. I can see a real chance of serious civil disorder arising from this.

This is where Labour have it wrong. They are arguing that not leaving will lead to civil unrest. They are correct of course but they believe it will come from the far right. The reality is they are bowing down to the far right and perhaps fearful of attacks on MPs. Understandable.

But trust me the disorder that will result from a bad Brexit will eclipse anything they fear from not exiting. They don’t understand that far right violence can be largely contained, that pensioners don’t riot and that even the middle aged loudmouths won’t turn to violent disorder. The real threat comes from younger generations. And they will potentially be extremely angry. They have far more to lose.

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A good example is that the health service is at breaking point because of the strain put on it by immigrants. The Migration study published only yesterday, clearly stated that immigration has had a minimal effect on health provision.

 

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...and then, the 2018-2019 winter arrived

For your sakes, I hope you’re all in good health. Or have a good private healthcare package.

The last referendum did not outline the detail of the changes.

 

There’s nothing ludicrous about giving people the democratic right to decide whether we commit to changes that will change our lives for decades.

 

That is how democracy works

It was made perfectly clear before the EU referendum vote that if the UK voted to leave the EU, then there could be years of uncertainty and a downturn in the UK economy. Every voter was aware at the time of these facts as outlined in the UK Government's own advice given. See link below ....

The Government believes the UK should remain in the EU. This leaflet sets out the facts, and explains why the. Government believes a vote to remain in the EU ...

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/515068/why-the-government-believes-that-voting-to-remain-in-the-european-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk.pdf

The UK democratic people decided to leave the EU despite the advice given by their own Government. None of us know whether the UK will be better or worse off in the long term future but we do know that the UK democratic people decided they no longer wanted to be in the EU and that decision should be respected by the UK Government, who gave the UK people the decision to decide if they wanted to remain in the EU or leave the EU.