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12-03-2007, 01:18   #41
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But we're never going to be a Manchester or Leeds - let's keep a realistic perspective
As Peter Stringfellow said on the news the other morning ... in Sheffield it used to be not the done thing to flaunt your money, there's a different sort of money about these days, and they aren't ashamed to show it!

I think one of the reasons that we may never again achieve a national profile like Manchester or Leeds, is the attitude from people like yourself, no offence

We know that journalists scrutinise fora for trends and attitudes, when they encounter negativity like this on the local forum, what are they supposed to make of it .... most people endorse their towns and cities, many people in Sheffield do nothing but try to bring everyone down with their pessimism. I find these negative, critical attitudes a real turn off, they make one feel that nothing is worth attempting as people will only moan on endlessly, no matter what.

You're part of the problem we have, try being part of the solution instead. You might even find you enjoy being positive for a change.
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12-03-2007, 01:28   #42
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You're part of the problem we have, try being part of the solution instead. You might even find you enjoy being positive for a change.
I think you're being a bit hard on Longcol: he is being positive, without getting carried away.
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12-03-2007, 01:35   #43
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I think you're being a bit hard on Longcol: he is being positive, without getting carried away.
I didn't just mean him - sorry Longcol, if you thought I was just picking on you only
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12-03-2007, 02:03   #44
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I didn't just mean him - sorry Longcol, if you thought I was just picking on you only
No probs - I'm not being negative about Sheffield - we just have to set realistic expectations for the city.

It's quite pleasant to note on this thread (and the Harvey Nics one) we haven't yet had anyone using the trite arguement that we are the fourth or fifth biggest city in the country and therefore should have the shopping to match - without noting we haven't the size of conurbation / "hinterland" nor the wealth to be in the same league as Manchester or Leeds - or perhaps some of the regional centres like Bristol & Norwich. Aiming to be in the top fifteen would be about right.
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12-03-2007, 02:20   #45
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I maintain there's plenty of money here, people just don't like spending it

I will agree that people who choose to live or work in Leeds, probably do have more disposable income and more taste and sophistication ... but you could hardly say that about Manchester or some of the other places you mention.
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12-03-2007, 02:44   #46
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I maintain there's plenty of money here, people just don't like spending it

I will agree that people who choose to live or work in Leeds, probably do have more disposable income and more taste and sophistication ... but you could hardly say that about Manchester or some of the other places you mention.
C'mon Ruby - something like 6 million people live within 30 miles of Manchester centre - and that includes some very wealthy areas in the "Cheshire stockbroker belt" - the equivalent of five or six Sheffield Hallam constituencies in terms of population and spending power. Both Bristol and Norwich are regional centres that pull people in from large (think an hours drive away) , generally well off, areas. The pull of Sheffield centre hardly extends beyond the city boundaries - although Meadowhall does attract people from a lot further afield.
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12-03-2007, 02:57   #47
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C'mon Ruby - something like 6 million people live within 30 miles of Manchester centre - and that includes some very wealthy areas in the "Cheshire stockbroker belt" - the equivalent of five or six Sheffield Hallam constituencies in terms of population and spending power. Both Bristol and Norwich are regional centres that pull people in from large (think an hours drive away) , generally well off, areas. The pull of Sheffield centre hardly extends beyond the city boundaries - although Meadowhall does attract people from a lot further afield.
So why did they get the casino? The reason given was that they were in dire need of regeneration and the area was one of the poorest in the region ... I'm not saying I wanted a super casino here, but I thought Blackpool would hvae been the best place for it, and in more need of the revenue than Manchester. Obviously that was a wrong assumption.

I'm also pretty sure that Cheshire was never even mentioned in the recent news item top ten of rich areas in the UK, but I'll stand corrected, if so. Of course, it was on a Yorkshire segment, why would they mention t'other side of Pennines

I'm sorry to see that in spite of my reasoning why we should be upbeat about our area to outsiders, you're still determined to prove everywhere else is better than here
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12-03-2007, 03:00   #48
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I've said this before but i wonder why those who don't like the city move somewhere else? If i disliked the place so much i'd up sticks and move to the utopia of choice.
I did - to the utopia of the Isle of Wight!
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12-03-2007, 08:52   #49
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I will agree that people who choose to live or work in Leeds, probably do have more disposable income and more taste and sophistication ...
I agree with everything you said so far except this.

Sheffield people do have taste, sophistication and disposal income - they just don't have enough places to use it.
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12-03-2007, 08:58   #50
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I'm also pretty sure that Cheshire was never even mentioned in the recent news item top ten of rich areas in the UK, but I'll stand corrected, if so.
It was 11th. It depends how information is presented: the recent list was by counties and on the basis of absolute wealth (including that tied up in assets I presume).

In 2003 Barclays produced a cost of living adjusted (looking at disposable income after housing costs) wealth list by parliamentary constituencies. This probably gives a better guide to the number of affluent shoppers in various catchment areas:

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1 Tatton, Cheshire
2 Hallam, Sheffield
3 Kensington and Chelsea, London
4 Leeds North East
5 Macclesfield, Cheshire
6 Altrincham and Sale West, Greater Manchester
7 Cheadle, Cheshire
8 Harrogate and Knaresborough, Yorkshire
9 Warwick and Leamington
10 Haltemprice and Howden, East Yorkshire
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12-03-2007, 09:12   #51
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It was 11th. It depends how information is presented: the recent list was by counties and on the basis of absolute wealth (including that tied up in assets I presume).

In 2003 Barclays produced a cost of living adjusted (looking at disposable income after housing costs) wealth list by parliamentary constituencies. This probably gives a better guide to the number of affluent shoppers in various catchment areas:
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12-03-2007, 10:17   #52
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And your evidence for this is...............???????????

I don't think there is any.

The NRQ will be OK, it'll do well, Sheffield has enough wealth to support it

But we're never going to be a Manchester or Leeds - let's keep a realistic perspective
I think Haydn got it the wrong way round, Hallam is supposed to have the highest per capita income, and there are more millionaires living in Yorkshire, both based on dubious polls or analyses I think.
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12-03-2007, 10:23   #53
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So, four in Yorkshire, 4 in Cheshire, and two dahn sarf somewhere

re my remark about taste and sophistication in Leeds v Us ... probably out of order but I was trying to be unbiased like Longcol ...

I don't live there and only see it on brief forays to shops or a night out, so my impression that there are more cultured people who appreciate the finer things of life in Leeds than there are here, may be totally in error.

I hope it is, as I'm Sheffield's No1 fan and always have been, even when I wasn't living here
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16-04-2007, 12:48   #54
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Have you followed this at all ?

This is another big regeneration move which the council is involved in, by issuing a statutory purchase order to buyout the existing businesses. The area includes the Cole Brother building too. What would you like to see happen in such an area?

Are you involved, and have you objected to this ? Apparently, there will be a Public Enquiry sometime this year because many people have objected to it. I don't quite understand why, but never the less, kind of interesting to hear what comes next.

There's recently quite a lot of anarchist materials thrown around in some establishments. Did you get any of these? What are your thoughts?

Is it going to be a move which will hold the city back, or will it be a good move to regenerate the city?
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16-04-2007, 13:00   #56
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..... over to you Firecracker!

Let's all play nice here and voice our opinions in an amicable manner for once.

If anything, since there will be a public enquiry, NOW is the time to say something, rather than when the complete process has finished, and then we moan about it.

I just wondered whether know this is actually happening now.
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16-04-2007, 13:10   #57
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Let's all play nice here and voice our opinions in an amicable manner for once.

If anything, since there will be a public enquiry, NOW is the time to say something, rather than when the complete process has finished, and then we moan about it.

I just wondered whether know this is actually happening now.
Do you have a link to the plans so we can see what it might look like?
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16-04-2007, 13:35   #58
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If it's going to cover a quarter of the city, it's going to have to be pretty big.....
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16-04-2007, 13:37   #59
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http://www.sheffield.gov.uk/business...retail-quarter

It's the "Compulsory Purchase Order" map.
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16-04-2007, 13:41   #60
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About 25 acres I think.

The scheme is very similar to the Paradise Street project in Liverpool which is currently under construction (official name is Liverpool 1): http://www.liverpool-one.com and http://www.liverpoolpsda.co.uk/

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