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26-08-2017, 23:27   #21
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Had a carling once, confirmed all my preconceptions about British beer. Thank god for real ale.
Carling is not a british beer, blame the canadians for it!
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27-08-2017, 00:18   #22
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he tolerances allowed in respect of the indication of the alcoholic strength by volume are:
0.3 % for beverages not mentioned below;
0.5 % vol. for beers having an alcoholic strength not exceeding 5.5 % vol. and beverages made from grapes classified under subheading 22.07 B II of the Common Customs Tariff;
1 % vol. for beers having an alcoholic strength exceeding 5.5 % vol. and beverages made from grapes classified under subheading 22.07 B I of the Common Customs Tariff, ciders, perries and other similar fermented beverages produced from fruits other than grapes, and beverages based on fermented honey;
1.5 % vol. for beverages containing macerated fruit or parts of plants.


http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-conte...EGISSUM:l32005
That is reflective of the state of brewing on the continent. Many small, local and city-focused breweries using variable ingredients. Walk into a supermarket in Germany and the range of beers is literally mind-boggling. So many local and city breweries, so many varieties of beer. With our craft beer revival we are maybe a small part of the way to getting back to that in the UK.

In the UK we are dominated by breweries that are effectively laboratory-breweries on an industrial scale, and for them to hide behind laws that are designed to protect smaller brewers whose output varies because of traditionally variable inputs is pretty much disgusting when the industrial breweries work to strict standards for inputs.
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27-08-2017, 09:40   #23
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Carling is not a british beer, blame the canadians for it!
Be careful now. Things aren't always that simple.
https://www.carling.com/heritage
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27-08-2017, 12:15   #24
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Be careful now. Things aren't always that simple.
https://www.carling.com/heritage
indeed, its like wards and stones no longer being brewed in sheff
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27-08-2017, 14:24   #25
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Having tasted it once I concur it tastes like rats urine. I can understand now why 8% stouts ales and lagers are hard to find in the UK due to draconian tax laws.

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27-08-2017, 16:19   #26
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https://www.carling.com/heritage
well that would depend on whether the original "ale" recipe they took over in the 1800's has anything to do with the lager produced in the 20th century...it could well be the lager is a more recent invention. Pete Brown's book has a lot of details on this, but I can't remember it all now.
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27-08-2017, 16:48   #27
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Having tasted it once I concur it tastes like rats urine. I can understand now why 8% stouts ales and lagers are hard to find in the UK due to draconian tax laws.
I have never tasted "rats urine" (sic).
Earlier today I was drinking an 11% stout.
And you, pal, are seriously at the wind up ya cheeky monkey!
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27-08-2017, 17:43   #28
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I have never tasted "rats urine" (sic).
Earlier today I was drinking an 11% stout.
And you, pal, are seriously at the wind up ya cheeky monkey!
and hes crap at it too
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27-08-2017, 18:41   #29
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Just reading the actual decision and it appears taste tests were done and Carling consumers actually preferred the taste of the weaker brew.

"However, we note that this did not
contravene the statutory labelling requirements (see above) which provide for a +/-
0.5% ABV labelling tolerance and that MCBC was careful not to alienate consumers
who, taste tests indicated, preferred the beer with the lower ABV."
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Just reading the actual decision and it appears taste tests were done and Carling consumers actually preferred the taste of the weaker brew.

"However, we note that this did not
contravene the statutory labelling requirements (see above) which provide for a +/-
0.5% ABV labelling tolerance and that MCBC was careful not to alienate consumers
who, taste tests indicated, preferred the beer with the lower ABV."
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27-08-2017, 19:55   #31
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Just reading the actual decision and it appears taste tests were done and Carling consumers actually preferred the taste of the weaker brew.

"However, we note that this did not
contravene the statutory labelling requirements (see above) which provide for a +/-
0.5% ABV labelling tolerance and that MCBC was careful not to alienate consumers
who, taste tests indicated, preferred the beer with the lower ABV."
'Yeah, I like sample B.'

'Why?'

'Tastes more like sparkling water.'
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27-08-2017, 22:20   #32
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I have never tasted "rats urine" (sic).
Earlier today I was drinking an 11% stout.
And you, pal, are seriously at the wind up ya cheeky monkey!
I'm sorry you felt sic of carling. You have me intriguing about this 11% stouts. I'm german so I'm probably a cheeky chip monk lost in transit

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and hes crap at it too
I'm a tolerant person and never inbune nobody. You however never start a sentence with a capital. Are you silly.
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28-08-2017, 10:27   #33
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If you drink carling then you deserve everything you get. Its weaker than a nun's pee
how would you know a nuns pee is weaker than the standard version are you some sort of an expert in tasting it.
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28-08-2017, 11:22   #34
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I don't mind Carling, it's an okay session drink, but then again I'm not a hipster beer snob.

Reading the article I think Coors have just been quite clever, reading between the lines they say if they tell the tax man they brew at 3.7% they pay less tax but they're allowed a 0.5% buffer either way. That suggests to me it's a tax avoidance plan, brew at 3.7% with a .5% buffer means you can still achieve 4% but pay less tax. It's a loophole in my opinion and quite clever of the brewer.

If they brew at 4% they pay more tax if they "brew at 3.7%" with a .5% tolerance they can still achieve 4% and pay less tax.
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28-08-2017, 12:24   #35
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I don't mind Carling, it's an okay session drink, but then again I'm not a hipster beer snob.

Reading the article I think Coors have just been quite clever, reading between the lines they say if they tell the tax man they brew at 3.7% they pay less tax but they're allowed a 0.5% buffer either way. That suggests to me it's a tax avoidance plan, brew at 3.7% with a .5% buffer means you can still achieve 4% but pay less tax. It's a loophole in my opinion and quite clever of the brewer.

If they brew at 4% they pay more tax if they "brew at 3.7%" with a .5% tolerance they can still achieve 4% and pay less tax.
Yep, it's exploring a loophole in taxation and packaging laws

Not many drinkers will now there is such a variance in the strength of their regular brew, and will accept the strength stated on the product.

Needless to say a big commercial brewer is going to fairly precisely control their ABV. If lowering the tax bill depends on it they won't mess it up.

Maybe packaging laws should be changed to state the variance of the brew, or variances at a particular brewery. Say from the previous year.
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Yep, it's exploring a loophole in taxation and packaging laws
I agree and its a loophole that I'm certain will soon be closed.
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I agree and its a loophole that I'm certain will soon be closed.
People that are unhappy with this discrepancy should boycott Carling for a period of time, I will.
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28-08-2017, 14:19   #38
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People that are unhappy with this discrepancy should boycott Carling for a period of time, I will.
This could involve every mass market brewer.
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28-08-2017, 14:55   #39
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why would you drink carling anyway?? i love hearing some people say oh i had 10 pints of carling last night lol, yes and??? try that with stella, Peroni or similar.
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why would you drink carling anyway?? i love hearing some people say oh i had 10 pints of carling last night lol, yes and??? try that with stella, Peroni or similar.
Well you've sort of made the point for me, if you're out on a session you might drink Carling because as you say if you drink ten pints of Stella you might find yourself in a gutter covered in your own vomit where as if you're drinking Carling you'll end up safely tucked up in bed at home.
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