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20-08-2015, 13:09   #41
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]Pretty successful with mobile phone use, seat belt use, alcohol use.[/B]

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The jury is out regarding primary and secondary harm regarding e-juice. Unlike damning evidence of primary and secondary tobacco use.
Really ? Everywhere you go you see people on their mobiles or not wearing seatbelts.

what they going to do , have ACSC`S ( automatic cig spotting cameras ) on the roads. ?
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20-08-2015, 13:10   #42
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I enjoyed smoking.
i have stopped smoking loads of times the last time was eight years ago.
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20-08-2015, 13:12   #43
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So that would be easiest enough to tax then wouldn't it. Making it at home would be no cheaper than buying it in a shop.

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You started smoking at about age 8?

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It isn't though is it. This is just your personal law breaking fantasy.
Are you claiming the number of knock off cigs and bacca isnt rising ? The fact more and more people are selling it tells you more people are buying it.
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20-08-2015, 13:51   #44
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No, I'm saying that what you said (tax revenue on tobacco falling) isn't true.

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Really ? Everywhere you go you see people on their mobiles or not wearing seatbelts.

what they going to do , have ACSC`S ( automatic cig spotting cameras ) on the roads. ?
I rarely see anyone without a seat belt.

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dont be daft.
You only graduated a few years ago... Perhaps you're older than you seem though.
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20-08-2015, 14:04   #45
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No, I'm saying that what you said (tax revenue on tobacco falling) isn't true.

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I rarely see anyone without a seat belt.

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You only graduated a few years ago... Perhaps you're older than you seem though.
You're right of course, I rarely see anyone without a seat belt on....BUT...Mobile phones!....I see them every single day...a dozen or more times..Especially in slow moving traffic, as I tend to only travel in morning and evening rush hour traffic....It's VERY common...You must see it too
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20-08-2015, 14:35   #46
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Really ? Everywhere you go you see people on their mobiles or not wearing seatbelts.

what they going to do , have ACSC`S ( automatic cig spotting cameras ) on the roads. ?
i think the system works pretty much like it does with speeding, drink driving, bald tyres, no insurance etc. you get away with it for a while and then you moan that you've been hit with a 60, 200 fine or ban because you got pulled.

apparently around 8000 people were prosecuted last year for using a mobile whilst driving, an offence which i believe now costs you 200.

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20-08-2015, 14:57   #47
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Really ? Everywhere you go you see people on their mobiles or not wearing seatbelts.
And if caught you will be penalized. There are many who drink and drive who get away with it simply because the authorities were not there at the time.

Tell us..do you avoid wearing a seat belt and use your phone while driving intoxicated?
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20-08-2015, 15:04   #48
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You only graduated a few years ago... Perhaps you're older than you seem though.
perhaps, its not important

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i have stopped smoking loads of times the last time was eight years ago.
keep trying. aversion techniques worked for me.
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21-08-2015, 16:20   #49
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It was hard to quit. After 16 years. One of my favourite achievements.
I recommend it.
Quitting must be easy after all I've known people do it 5 or 6 times....
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21-08-2015, 22:27   #50
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My fella stopped smoking in June 2013 by using ecigs. In July 2013 he fell very ill. Shortly after he was diagnosed with severe Crohns disease. Two weeks in hospital and some very intense treatment saved his bowel (for now anyway)

He says it's more likely that stopping smoking provoked the disease. I'm more convinced that inhaling unlicensed liquids would have caused it. I guess we'll never know. The only thing we can be certain of is that within 6 weeks of introducing vaping to his body, He was seriously ill with a life changing illness.

Ecigs are not without risk, It could be decades before we know the true cost to our health!!
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21-08-2015, 22:28   #51
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Anyone know why dip is illegal in the UK despite being much less harmful than regular fags?
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22-08-2015, 01:47   #52
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Anyone know why dip is illegal in the UK despite being much less harmful than regular fags?
I thought that dip was a bit like chewing tobacco and a big cause of gum, mouth and throat cancer?
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22-08-2015, 08:30   #53
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I thought that dip was a bit like chewing tobacco and a big cause of gum, mouth and throat cancer?
It is and it is, but it's still a lot less harmful than cigarettes are.
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22-08-2015, 12:40   #54
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My fella stopped smoking in June 2013 by using ecigs. In July 2013 he fell very ill. Shortly after he was diagnosed with severe Crohns disease. Two weeks in hospital and some very intense treatment saved his bowel (for now anyway)

He says it's more likely that stopping smoking provoked the disease. I'm more convinced that inhaling unlicensed liquids would have caused it. I guess we'll never know. The only thing we can be certain of is that within 6 weeks of introducing vaping to his body, He was seriously ill with a life changing illness.

Ecigs are not without risk, It could be decades before we know the true cost to our health!!
Most likely it's just a coincidence.

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perhaps, its not important
Or perhaps you didn't quit 16 years ago?
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22-08-2015, 13:30   #55
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My fella stopped smoking in June 2013 by using ecigs. In July 2013 he fell very ill. Shortly after he was diagnosed with severe Crohns disease. Two weeks in hospital and some very intense treatment saved his bowel (for now anyway)

He says it's more likely that stopping smoking provoked the disease. I'm more convinced that inhaling unlicensed liquids would have caused it. I guess we'll never know. The only thing we can be certain of is that within 6 weeks of introducing vaping to his body, He was seriously ill with a life changing illness.

Ecigs are not without risk, It could be decades before we know the true cost to our health!!
What did the doctor say about it?
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22-08-2015, 13:37   #56
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I'm more convinced that inhaling unlicensed liquids would have caused it. I guess we'll never know. The only thing we can be certain of is that within 6 weeks of introducing vaping to his body, He was seriously ill with a life changing illness.

Ecigs are not without risk, It could be decades before we know the true cost to our health!!
What these ecigs contain will be very variable, just like smoking weed used to be almost harmless in low volumes, these days there are much stronger varieties.
Ecigs might be relatively safe today, but who knows what they will contain in the future?
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22-08-2015, 14:09   #57
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My fella stopped smoking in June 2013 by using ecigs. In July 2013 he fell very ill. Shortly after he was diagnosed with severe Crohns disease. Two weeks in hospital and some very intense treatment saved his bowel (for now anyway)

He says it's more likely that stopping smoking provoked the disease. I'm more convinced that inhaling unlicensed liquids would have caused it. I guess we'll never know. The only thing we can be certain of is that within 6 weeks of introducing vaping to his body, He was seriously ill with a life changing illness.

Ecigs are not without risk, It could be decades before we know the true cost to our health!!

What is known is that his cigarette smoking will have doubled his risk of developing Crohn's Disease.

There is anecdotal evidence that continued smoking may mask the symptoms of Crohn's, and stopping smoking allows the symptoms to be felt, treatment sought and the disease diagnosed.

Currently, there is no evidence to support ecigs as a causal factor (not to say that they aren't) but the first scenario is more likely.

He is better off having stopped smoking.
He is even more better off that his Crohn's has been diagnosed and treated.
Best wishes for his continued recovery.

Does he continue to vape?
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23-08-2015, 22:21   #58
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I'm sticking with my cigarettes as I like them and had no interest in these E-ciggs.

If I get lung cancer then so be it, **** happens but at least I'll know I've enjoyed my life.
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23-08-2015, 23:56   #59
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I'm sticking with my cigarettes as I like them and had no interest in these E-ciggs.

If I get lung cancer then so be it, **** happens but at least I'll know I've enjoyed my life.
well I hate the smell of tobacco. . . But I find that some e-cigs / vapes smell ok.

I still wouldn't smoke either though ( I'm an intolerant and humourless anti-smoker, if you hadn't guessed)
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23-08-2015, 23:59   #60
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well I hate the smell of tobacco. . . But I find that some e-cigs / vapes smell ok.

I still wouldn't smoke either though ( I'm an intolerant and humourless anti-smoker, if you hadn't guessed)
There are occasions when I do smoke in public places but this is rare. Sorry if my smoke has ever wafted into your face - I know it's not pleasant to non-smokers

I'm not persuaded to switch to E-ciggs though. I just like my traditional cigarettes.
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