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31-08-2017, 21:39   #121
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To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.
Religious groups?,were not allowed to criticise them.
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31-08-2017, 21:39   #122
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The state already regulates it, hate speech laws apply, threats (even innocuous ones) about violence have resulted in prosecution.

All private businesses are run by a CEO who is accountable to shareholders (although in some cases that might be himself only). I don't think you can accuse a profit making business of following the ideology of fascism, it makes no sense really.
They CAN certainly have political byass though, just look at media organisations, fox news has a strong political byass, so does the guardian and the telegraph. The majority of the US west coast IT firms have a liberal political byass though, despite which they were used as a vehicle for russian propaganda to spread false news to help elect the man child president.
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31-08-2017, 21:50   #123
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Rubbish. There is nothing extreme about being antifascist.
If you think communism is nice you should talk to someone who grew up under communist rule like my mate.Nice they most certainly were not if you had the gaul to want to find out what was happening outside the iron curtain.This was one of many horror stories he has told me in the past.Fellow neighbours arrested never to be seen again.Then again i suppose there are lots of people who would like to see the world this way.A one world dictatorship,sorry government.The extreme left are just as dangerous as the extreme right they all want to have power over the masses.
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31-08-2017, 21:53   #124
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Religious groups?,were not allowed to criticise them.
Muslims get criticized all the time and you're certainly allowed to criticize Christianity.
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31-08-2017, 22:11   #125
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Muslims get criticized all the time and you're certainly allowed to criticize Christianity.
Would critising a religion infringe this UK law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial...atred_Act_2006
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31-08-2017, 22:26   #126
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Would critising a religion infringe this UK law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial...atred_Act_2006
Had you read the page you'd linked to you'd realise the answer to your question is "No".
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31-08-2017, 22:33   #127
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Had you read the page you'd linked to you'd realise the answer to your question is "No".
Yes i stand corrected,does this mean i could get away with making religious jokes,even on this forum or would that count has hatred,it all seems a bit here and there to me.What counts has hatred if critisizing religion does not.
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31-08-2017, 22:34   #128
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Yes i stand corrected,does this mean i could get away with making religious jokes,even on this forum or would that count has hatred,it all seems a bit here and there to me.What counts has hatred if critisizing religion does not.
Depends on the religion.
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31-08-2017, 22:42   #129
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Yes i stand corrected,does this mean i could get away with making religious jokes,even on this forum or would that count has hatred,it all seems a bit here and there to me.What counts has hatred if critisizing religion does not.
You obviously still haven't read the page you linked to.
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31-08-2017, 22:55   #130
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You obviously still haven't read the page you linked to.
I have,what i am asking is what do you need to say for it to become hatred instead of just general criticism or satire.It is not very clear.What offends one person may not offend another.I seriously do not understand the law it seems like gobbledy gook to me.Does not critising someones religion not incite hatred.
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31-08-2017, 23:20   #131
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The state already regulates it, hate speech laws apply, threats (even innocuous ones) about violence have resulted in prosecution.
Those laws apply across all forms of media.

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All private businesses are run by a CEO who is accountable to shareholders (although in some cases that might be himself only). I don't think you can accuse a profit making business of following the ideology of fascism, it makes no sense really.
Of course I can, especially if they do. And if they are simply a profit making business then that is entirely their right to do, but if the public have a significant interest in the activities of the company, then it becomes less clear.

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01-09-2017, 07:28   #133
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Those laws apply across all forms of media.



Of course I can, especially if they do. And if they are simply a profit making business then that is entirely their right to do, but if the public have a significant interest in the activities of the company, then it becomes less clear.
So how does the public not have a significant interest in the activities of the obviously biassed print media? They spread political messages, always have done, how is facebook different?

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If you think communism is nice you should talk to someone who grew up under communist rule like my mate.Nice they most certainly were not if you had the gaul to want to find out what was happening outside the iron curtain.This was one of many horror stories he has told me in the past.Fellow neighbours arrested never to be seen again.Then again i suppose there are lots of people who would like to see the world this way.A one world dictatorship,sorry government.The extreme left are just as dangerous as the extreme right they all want to have power over the masses.
How did you get from "anti fascist should be normal" to "if you think communism is nice".
Communism is not normal (at least in this country). Being anti fascist doesn't imply being communist in the slightest.

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Would critising a religion infringe this UK law.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial...atred_Act_2006
No, no it wouldn't.

Christianity, Judaism, Islam, they all make little sense and their holy books are riddled with contradictions.

Watch how I don't get arrested for that criticism.

We could go on and criticise how they have harboured pedophiles and been the catalyst for a huge amount of human misery, all perfectly legal and legitimate criticism.
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01-09-2017, 08:15   #134
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So how does the public not have a significant interest in the activities of the obviously biassed print media? They spread political messages, always have done, how is facebook different?

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How did you get from "anti fascist should be normal" to "if you think communism is nice".
Communism is not normal (at least in this country). Being anti fascist doesn't imply being communist in the slightest.

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No, no it wouldn't.

Christianity, Judaism, Islam, they all make little sense and their holy books are riddled with contradictions.

Watch how I don't get arrested for that criticism.

We could go on and criticise how they have harboured pedophiles and been the catalyst for a huge amount of human misery, all perfectly legal and legitimate criticism.
Add to this all the wars and uprisings that are fought in the name of religion .
The genocide that occurred in Europe and Armenia etc plus the leaders of these Countries who have all been propped up by their various gods .
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02-09-2017, 05:12   #135
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04-09-2017, 18:28   #136
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Adolf Hitler had a bad press. I'm not condening** him in anyway but he was popular with the German youth at some point. He was a despicable human being but had very populist views which resonate with even dumb ass Americans today.
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