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17-02-2011, 17:08   #1001
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Funny how the "bombers" also chose the same scenario,targeting commuters rather than much more effective targets they could have chosen.
Which more effective targets do you mean?
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17-02-2011, 17:10   #1002
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Why would a suicide bomber need a cover story ?
Because unless he was intending to detonate immediately after telling their loved one of their plans - as clearly wasn't the case here - it leaves a window of several days in which the person they told could inform the authorites.


It's like arguing with window lickers.
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17-02-2011, 17:12   #1003
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It's like arguing with window lickers.
Im going to quote this before you edit it out.

Window Licker:

(derogatory) ~ sl.: euphemism for a person of mentally challenged status. Etymology: C20 - Derived from the stereotyped behaviour of mentally challenged people, observed to place their open mouths into prolongued contact with the external windows of public or private transport on which they are seated.
It is offensive and wrong to name a person people who is mentally challenged a 'window licker' or a 'retard'.


Never come on here and talk down to anyone and try to claim the moral high ground ever again.

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17-02-2011, 17:27   #1005
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Agreed, but why make up a story ? ,it makes no sense if he thought he would be a dead anyway.
Because if you tell everybody what your plan is, then sooner or later you're going to get caught. Do you really think all terrorists in the history of terrorism have told anyone they meet what they planned to do beforehand?

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So was his hair bleached or not ? and what does it prove ?
According to at least one of the "truth seeker" sites his hair was not bleached. According to the official report, and now this girl, his hair was.

Being in close proximity for periods of time with the chemicals (allegedly) used in the bombs would cause hair to become bleached.

Another truth seeker idea is that the bombers never went to the flat which was damaged by the chemicals.

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Funny how the "bombers" also chose the same scenario,targeting commuters rather than much more effective targets they could have chosen.
What more "effective" targets exist? It all boils down to the question of what were they trying to accomplish. If you want to send a message to Government / the population, attack well known locations. If you want to cause general fear and panic amongst individuals, attack them where they feel safe but congregate in large numbers.

My sister refuses to use London Underground, because we had to be evacuated from Liverpool Street Underground station back in 1991/1992 because of a suspected (IRA) bomb on the next train arriving (which was then evacuated upon arrival). Judging by that alone, I would say causing people to not trust the security of their transport systems is quite a good way to upset them.

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They were set up.
I'm sorry, but it's looking less and less likely every day.
 
17-02-2011, 18:04   #1006
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Because unless he was intending to detonate immediately after telling their loved one of their plans - as clearly wasn't the case here - it leaves a window of several days in which the person they told could inform the authorites.


It's like arguing with window lickers.

you're assuming if he didn't say he was going to Dubai he would have to tell her he was going to blow up a train.

Why not just- "i'm off to scotland for a few days"
 
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you're assuming if he didn't say he was going to Dubai he would have to tell her he was going to blow up a train.

Why not just- "i'm off to scotland for a few days"
What the hell does it matter? The fact is, the evidence you provided fails to show that he was not involved.
 
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you're assuming if he didn't say he was going to Dubai he would have to tell her he was going to blow up a train.
I'm doing nothing of the sort.

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Why not just- "i'm off to scotland for a few days"
That's what he did say. How's that glass tasting?
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Because if you tell everybody what your plan is, then sooner or later you're going to get caught. Do you really think all terrorists in the history of terrorism have told anyone they meet what they planned to do beforehand?

According to at least one of the "truth seeker" sites his hair was not bleached. According to the official report, and now this girl, his hair was.

Being in close proximity for periods of time with the chemicals (allegedly) used in the bombs would cause hair to become bleached.

Another truth seeker idea is that the bombers never went to the flat which was damaged by the chemicals.



What more "effective" targets exist? It all boils down to the question of what were they trying to accomplish. If you want to send a message to Government / the population, attack well known locations. If you want to cause general fear and panic amongst individuals, attack them where they feel safe but congregate in large numbers.

My sister refuses to use London Underground, because we had to be evacuated from Liverpool Street Underground station back in 1991/1992 because of a suspected (IRA) bomb on the next train arriving (which was then evacuated upon arrival). Judging by that alone, I would say causing people to not trust the security of their transport systems is quite a good way to upset them.



I'm sorry, but it's looking less and less likely every day.
So the guy possibly having bleached hair makes him a terrorist ?

Again, he wouldn't have to tell the truth (if he was planning a bombing) nor would he have to have a cover story for what he would be doing in August.
 
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So the guy possibly having bleached hair makes him a terrorist ?

Again, he wouldn't have to tell the truth (if he was planning a bombing) nor would he have to have a cover story for what he would be doing in August.
You really struggling to grasp this, aren't you?
 
17-02-2011, 18:41   #1011
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So the guy possibly having bleached hair makes him a terrorist ?
Not at all. But if someone suddenly starts mildly bleaching their hair, starts hanging around in the bathroom for a long while, starts going on trips where they're going to be uncontactable and then disappears in an explosion on a train, then there is definately something suspicous going on.

While it doesn't prove he did do what he's accused of, it's certainly not what somebody who thought they were going to go to London to ride some trains for a bit then go home again would do.

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Again, he wouldn't have to tell the truth (if he was planning a bombing) nor would he have to have a cover story for what he would be doing in August.
Again, if he was just supporting the training exercise, he wouldn't come up with any sort of cover story. The fact that he has points to the fact he wasn't behaving innocently or working for Peter Power.
 
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Agreed, but why make up a story ? ,it makes no sense if he thought he would be a dead anyway.
Are you saying that you expect religious suicide bombers to do things that make sense?
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17-02-2011, 19:18   #1013
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Theres a new video about,pretty boring viewing to be honest but this part at least should be watched.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2Yh3...eature=related
It seems quite obvious that the explosion ripped through the floor from inside and the gases produced were returned upwards from the hard floor surfaces of the track to twist the metal upwards.
Cover stories were probably invented as the bombers did not expect to be identified after the explosions and they could not be positively identified as their families would have an excuse for their absence from home. In time their absence would probably not be missed. It would also avoid their families being associated with the crime.
 
17-02-2011, 21:33   #1014
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So the guy possibly having bleached hair makes him a terrorist ?

Again, he wouldn't have to tell the truth (if he was planning a bombing) nor would he have to have a cover story for what he would be doing in August.
thats it then there were no bombs on the tube or any on the bus ,the media is making it all up and the number 30 arrived on time ,shut the court send the jury home and vresistance can answer any questions you want on the subject.
 
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You all are aware, I hope, of a character named Martin McDaid?


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They worked in same bookshop

A FORMER Royal Marine, who converted to Islam, last night denied preaching violence to the four London bombers.

Martin McDaid, who also served in the Special Boat Service, said he knew the four terrorists but had no negative involvement with them and was totally against violence.

...

The bearded ex-squaddie said he had served in the Royal Marines for 10 years.

"I'm an ex-anti-terrorist operator. I spent one and a half years with the Special Forces - with the Special Boat Service. I finished nearly 15 years ago."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-15760968/

Converted to Islam my arse. And ex-anti-terror? I'm sure he worked for that crowd, but they are pro-terror. "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength."

He (McDaid) says he didn't preach violence but Martin Gilbertson contradicts him. Mr Gilbertson was ignored by the police and MI5:-


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Gilbertson, a dab hand with technology, found himself drawn into helping the group secure their e-mails and computers from prying eyes. He helped, too, with the production of anti-western videos and DVDs. It was a world of jihadi websites and film “presentations” depicting supposed crimes by the West against Muslims.

GILBERTSON’S main point of contact was McDaid, who had turned to Islam in 2000 and learnt Arabic. He had the zeal of a convert. “McDaid did most of the talking, most of the ranting and raving,” said Gilbertson.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle679036.ece

And where is Martin McDaid now? Nobody appears to know. Other than MI5/6, who must know.

If you are looking for who arranged the bathroom of the rented property in Leeds to look like a bomb-making factory, you need look no further than McDaid, who had the expertise and was allowed to use Khan's car, etc.

The property itself belonged to an Egyptian, who McDaid claimed had nothing to do with all this and was a "sweet person". Obviously another agent and colleague of McDaid in the employ of the (IN-)Security (DIS-)Services.


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On the BBC Newshour programme Charles Shoebridge, a former detective with the Metropolitan Police, stated, “The amount of information coming out and the quality of information coming out. The fact that that has been so consistently overlooked it would appear by the security service MI5, to me suggests really only one of two options. Either, a) we’ve got a level of incompetence that would be unusual even for the security services. But b) possibly, and this is a possibility, that this man Khan may even have been working as an informant for the security service. It is difficult otherwise to see how it can be that they’ve so covered his tracks in the interim.” (Watson, 6/2006)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7889687/Th...ondon-Bombings

It all stinks to high heaven.


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Dear reader,

I hope this finds you well, in good spirit and having a good day.

In the light of the recent revelation by Robert Verkaik, in The Independent newspaper of Thursday 21st May 2009 *, about the modus operandi of MI5 and the U.K. police, regarding the recruitment of young Muslims to infiltrate and report on other Muslims and Muslim groups, I have been asked to comment on how that might apply to the case of the alleged 7/7 bombers, and the government statements in the recent ISC report that has been furiously rejected as a whitewash, by the families of the 7/7 victims, according to the article by Gabriel Milland in the Daily Express of the previous day, Wednesday 20th May, 2009 **.

The ISC report states that Mohammed Siddique/Sidique Khan and Shazad/Shehzad Tanweer were known about, but were not considered to be a threat to the public. If they had both been recruited to work for MI5, then MI5 would obviously not consider them to be any threat, but rather to be an asset instead of a threat.

It has been suggested by ex-members of the intelligence services that Mohammed Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer could have been working for MI5, so this is not an unreasonable deduction to make, as it would explain what happened. The police also said that they did not fit the profile of suicide-bombers or terrorists. We have also been told that the mastermind behind the 7/7 bombings was Haroon Rashid Aswat, who is known to be a MI6 agent and is now in a maximum-security mental institution (to keep him from talking?).

It is possible that Mohammed Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer were actually working for MI5, as informants, in the Operation CREVICE fertilizer-bomb plot case that is referred to in the ISC report, and, if so, that would account for why they were known about, but not considered to be any threat. It would also explain how they could have easily been recruited to take part in the training-drill that was taking place on 7/7/2005, and easily have been duped into making those videos.

If this was what happened, then these assets became expendable assets. It should serve as a warning to all to be very careful about co-operating with elements of State intelligence services, who; from time to time; have helped to carry out false-flag attacks upon citizens for what they presumably and mistakenly perceive as "the greater good". You should all; including members of the intelligence services and the police; ask yourselves whether you find this acceptable and not keep burying your heads in the sand. Those who are not only thinking of their next pay-cheque, and little else, already see there is something terribly wrong with government and its organs and that something needs to be done about it. They have become your controllers instead of servants of you, the people (or is it sheople?).

In order to be a successful informant, one would have to pass off as an extremist or want-to-be terrorist. In doing so, elements within the intelligence services could easily begin to gather "evidence" about you, whilst they extract information about other people from you, and then frame you and use you as a patsy at a later time. Thus killing two (or more) birds with one stone, once they become fearful of how much you know, and/or they think it is time to further advance their agenda of total control and take away more of your God-given rights.

You do not need to succumb to blackmail and impersonate terrorists in order to do your duty as a citizen. That blackmail is being attempted upon people who have done nothing wrong, demonstrates that the Source for this idea/action is not God/good/Allah. And not very Brit-ish either. Or at least it wasn't once upon a time.

The British Government keeps on running away from the demand for an open and truly independent enquiry, and that strengthens the suspicion that it has something to hide. This state of denial; coupled with the low esteem in which the government and the whole political establishment is held, in the public's mind; provides a fertile ground for all kinds of hypotheses to be put forward, and be believed. The public believes that politicians lie; it now also is convinced that they cheat and deceive. It is, therefore, or should be, in the government's interest to apologise and confess that it does run covert operations, in pursuit of political aims. The whole saga of terrorism and counter terrorism may then be seen in a different perspective.

However, THEY*** are never going to do so voluntarily, as THEY will undoubtedly be afraid of going to prison, or worse. We therefore need to increase pressure on them to force their hand.

My film "7/7 Ripple Effect" was designed to do exactly that to them, if we can get the majority of the population to watch it.

Please keep making "Ripples" so that we achieve our objective as soon as possible, before THEY do it again.

I hope that this comment will be helpful to all concerned parties.

Peace be upon you and within you,

Muad'Dib.


* http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-1688618.html

** http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...MI5-whitewash-

*** The Hierarchy Enslaving You.

http://jforjustice.co.uk/MI5-7-7.html

As for Tanweer's alleged "girlfriend". What's her name? No-one's bothered to mention she's an ANONYMOUS witness. If you know enough of the murky context surrounding 7/7, involving MI5 and "ex"-special forces members and military-grade explosives and Ian Blair's, Tony Blair's and Mossad's foreknowledge, then you can't POSSIBLY take an anonymous "testimony" seriously. Especially so when delivered at a so-called "inquest" where the outcome was acknowledged by those overseeing it to be pre-determined from the very start - the four Muslims "did it", and not up for debate.

Theatre. MI5 are very good at it.
 
17-02-2011, 23:48   #1016
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Sheaf-Field - do you believe that terrorists exist, or are they entirely a creation of the security services?
 
18-02-2011, 11:32   #1017
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It seems quite obvious that the explosion ripped through the floor from inside and the gases produced were returned upwards from the hard floor surfaces of the track to twist the metal upwards.
Cover stories were probably invented as the bombers did not expect to be identified after the explosions and they could not be positively identified as their families would have an excuse for their absence from home. In time their absence would probably not be missed. It would also avoid their families being associated with the crime.
I wonder though ,it seems you suggest they would be ashamed of what they were doing ,to want- not to be identified.
Is that why they avoided being seen the on the 'israeli owned,london security cctv' ?
Of course they would, or at least should be easily identified .The evidence is very lacking.Still.

The theory and information provided by 'Sheaf-Field' (below) makes for a much better explanation than the official account based on all the evidence available.

Shame our puppet media never seem to look into these issues..

Quote; Sheaf-Field.
"You all are aware, I hope, of a character named Martin McDaid?



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They worked in same bookshop

A FORMER Royal Marine, who converted to Islam, last night denied preaching violence to the four London bombers.

Martin McDaid, who also served in the Special Boat Service, said he knew the four terrorists but had no negative involvement with them and was totally against violence.

...

The bearded ex-squaddie said he had served in the Royal Marines for 10 years.

"I'm an ex-anti-terrorist operator. I spent one and a half years with the Special Forces - with the Special Boat Service. I finished nearly 15 years ago."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto...5875-15760968/


Converted to Islam my arse. And ex-anti-terror? I'm sure he worked for that crowd, but they are pro-terror. "War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength."

He (McDaid) says he didn't preach violence but Martin Gilbertson contradicts him. Mr Gilbertson was ignored by the police and MI5:-



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Gilbertson, a dab hand with technology, found himself drawn into helping the group secure their e-mails and computers from prying eyes. He helped, too, with the production of anti-western videos and DVDs. It was a world of jihadi websites and film “presentations” depicting supposed crimes by the West against Muslims.

GILBERTSON’S main point of contact was McDaid, who had turned to Islam in 2000 and learnt Arabic. He had the zeal of a convert. “McDaid did most of the talking, most of the ranting and raving,” said Gilbertson.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...icle679036.ece


And where is Martin McDaid now? Nobody appears to know. Other than MI5/6, who must know.

If you are looking for who arranged the bathroom of the rented property in Leeds to look like a bomb-making factory, you need look no further than McDaid, who had the expertise and was allowed to use Khan's car, etc.

The property itself belonged to an Egyptian, who McDaid claimed had nothing to do with all this and was a "sweet person". Obviously another agent and colleague of McDaid in the employ of the (IN-)Security (DIS-)Services.



Quote:
On the BBC Newshour programme Charles Shoebridge, a former detective with the Metropolitan Police, stated, “The amount of information coming out and the quality of information coming out. The fact that that has been so consistently overlooked it would appear by the security service MI5, to me suggests really only one of two options. Either, a) we’ve got a level of incompetence that would be unusual even for the security services. But b) possibly, and this is a possibility, that this man Khan may even have been working as an informant for the security service. It is difficult otherwise to see how it can be that they’ve so covered his tracks in the interim.” (Watson, 6/2006)

http://www.scribd.com/doc/7889687/Th...ondon-Bombings


It all stinks to high heaven.



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Dear reader,

I hope this finds you well, in good spirit and having a good day.

In the light of the recent revelation by Robert Verkaik, in The Independent newspaper of Thursday 21st May 2009 *, about the modus operandi of MI5 and the U.K. police, regarding the recruitment of young Muslims to infiltrate and report on other Muslims and Muslim groups, I have been asked to comment on how that might apply to the case of the alleged 7/7 bombers, and the government statements in the recent ISC report that has been furiously rejected as a whitewash, by the families of the 7/7 victims, according to the article by Gabriel Milland in the Daily Express of the previous day, Wednesday 20th May, 2009 **.

The ISC report states that Mohammed Siddique/Sidique Khan and Shazad/Shehzad Tanweer were known about, but were not considered to be a threat to the public. If they had both been recruited to work for MI5, then MI5 would obviously not consider them to be any threat, but rather to be an asset instead of a threat.

It has been suggested by ex-members of the intelligence services that Mohammed Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer could have been working for MI5, so this is not an unreasonable deduction to make, as it would explain what happened. The police also said that they did not fit the profile of suicide-bombers or terrorists. We have also been told that the mastermind behind the 7/7 bombings was Haroon Rashid Aswat, who is known to be a MI6 agent and is now in a maximum-security mental institution (to keep him from talking?).

It is possible that Mohammed Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer were actually working for MI5, as informants, in the Operation CREVICE fertilizer-bomb plot case that is referred to in the ISC report, and, if so, that would account for why they were known about, but not considered to be any threat. It would also explain how they could have easily been recruited to take part in the training-drill that was taking place on 7/7/2005, and easily have been duped into making those videos.

If this was what happened, then these assets became expendable assets. It should serve as a warning to all to be very careful about co-operating with elements of State intelligence services, who; from time to time; have helped to carry out false-flag attacks upon citizens for what they presumably and mistakenly perceive as "the greater good". You should all; including members of the intelligence services and the police; ask yourselves whether you find this acceptable and not keep burying your heads in the sand. Those who are not only thinking of their next pay-cheque, and little else, already see there is something terribly wrong with government and its organs and that something needs to be done about it. They have become your controllers instead of servants of you, the people (or is it sheople?).

In order to be a successful informant, one would have to pass off as an extremist or want-to-be terrorist. In doing so, elements within the intelligence services could easily begin to gather "evidence" about you, whilst they extract information about other people from you, and then frame you and use you as a patsy at a later time. Thus killing two (or more) birds with one stone, once they become fearful of how much you know, and/or they think it is time to further advance their agenda of total control and take away more of your God-given rights.

You do not need to succumb to blackmail and impersonate terrorists in order to do your duty as a citizen. That blackmail is being attempted upon people who have done nothing wrong, demonstrates that the Source for this idea/action is not God/good/Allah. And not very Brit-ish either. Or at least it wasn't once upon a time.

The British Government keeps on running away from the demand for an open and truly independent enquiry, and that strengthens the suspicion that it has something to hide. This state of denial; coupled with the low esteem in which the government and the whole political establishment is held, in the public's mind; provides a fertile ground for all kinds of hypotheses to be put forward, and be believed. The public believes that politicians lie; it now also is convinced that they cheat and deceive. It is, therefore, or should be, in the government's interest to apologise and confess that it does run covert operations, in pursuit of political aims. The whole saga of terrorism and counter terrorism may then be seen in a different perspective.

However, THEY*** are never going to do so voluntarily, as THEY will undoubtedly be afraid of going to prison, or worse. We therefore need to increase pressure on them to force their hand.

My film "7/7 Ripple Effect" was designed to do exactly that to them, if we can get the majority of the population to watch it.

Please keep making "Ripples" so that we achieve our objective as soon as possible, before THEY do it again.

I hope that this comment will be helpful to all concerned parties.

Peace be upon you and within you,

Muad'Dib.


* http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-1688618.html

** http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...MI5-whitewash-

*** The Hierarchy Enslaving You.

http://jforjustice.co.uk/MI5-7-7.html


As for Tanweer's alleged "girlfriend". What's her name? No-one's bothered to mention she's an ANONYMOUS witness. If you know enough of the murky context surrounding 7/7, involving MI5 and "ex"-special forces members and military-grade explosives and Ian Blair's, Tony Blair's and Mossad's foreknowledge, then you can't POSSIBLY take an anonymous "testimony" seriously. Especially so when delivered at a so-called "inquest" where the outcome was acknowledged by those overseeing it to be pre-determined from the very start - the four Muslims "did it", and not up for debate.

Theatre. MI5 are very good at it.

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18-02-2011, 11:53   #1018
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How and why was he prevented from attending his hearing?
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18-02-2011, 12:24   #1020
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How and why was he prevented from attending his hearing?
The first time the jail blamed a computer error .
Last week has not been explained yet.(as far as i know).

As nothing of the case is being reported to the public they are doing whatever they please and getting away with it.
 
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