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19-07-2018, 11:57   #81
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I think that most people have valid concerns that the zone will be no different to the existing zigzags, and/or that the zone will be seriously extended and start impacting residents.

Perhaps just enforcing the existing restrictions would have been an option to improve safety...
The proposal is to replace Double Yellows with Red Lines.

You are allowed to stop on a Double Yellow to drop someone off, unload or if you have a disabled permit, and you are not allowed to stop at all on a Red Line.

There are very clear differences in the improvement of safety and improving the ease of enforcement.

Zig Zags are a side issue.
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And I can see the point of using the red line where the tram runs to be fair.
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19-07-2018, 12:51   #83
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I'm not against the idea but I just wish the council could solve problems in ways that actually recognise the reasons behind them, rather than just making enforcement stricter.

A red lined zone isn't going to stop people dropping off their kids at school - it will just cause them to relocate the to the closest available non-red-lined area, which will just end up inconveniencing a different set of residents and creating safety issues elsewhere.

Instead, the council could put more effort into solving the problems that are stopping kids from being able to bus, walk or cycle to school.

General safety-focused road improvements around schools (speed limits, crossings, crossing patrols, etc), improved public transport, and proper cycling infrastructure are what's needed.

Another approach would be to designate an official drop-off zone near the school, make it permit-based, and charge people for the permits (free for disabled). Give people the option to pay for convenience.
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19-07-2018, 14:52   #84
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And I can see the point of using the red line where the tram runs to be fair.
Absolutely.

Interesting to read the Council report behind this and the fact that Red Lines were not available for Council Enforcement outside of London.
Hence our use of yellow lines and Clearways.

Now they are available (SCC say since last year, but some other council's seem to have adopted them a few years ago), they are looking at ways to incorporate them into the overall parking strategy.
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They tried this in Wolverhampton about 10 years ago.

They scrapped the scheme, I'm sure there will be info out there.....
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Absolutely.

Interesting to read the Council report behind this and the fact that Red Lines were not available for Council Enforcement outside of London.
Hence our use of yellow lines and Clearways.

Now they are available (SCC say since last year, but some other council's seem to have adopted them a few years ago), they are looking at ways to incorporate them into the overall parking strategy.
Red routes have become available to all Councils last year following the Government's revision of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions (TSRGD), which govern what signing and roadmarkings can be used on highways.

Previously they were only available in London, but other local authorities outside London could ask for specific approval from Department for Transport to use them. Birmingham have done this.

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I'm not against the idea but I just wish the council could solve problems in ways that actually recognise the reasons behind them, rather than just making enforcement stricter.

A red lined zone isn't going to stop people dropping off their kids at school - it will just cause them to relocate the to the closest available non-red-lined area, which will just end up inconveniencing a different set of residents and creating safety issues elsewhere.
The Council understand this very well. That's why at Baslow Rd they want to put in the red lines at the places they absolutely don't want anyone stopping and they are providing double yellow lines at places where it's not ok to park, but stopping to pick up / drop off can be allowed safely.

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Instead, the council could put more effort into solving the problems that are stopping kids from being able to bus, walk or cycle to school.

General safety-focused road improvements around schools (speed limits, crossings, crossing patrols, etc), improved public transport, and proper cycling infrastructure are what's needed.

Another approach would be to designate an official drop-off zone near the school, make it permit-based, and charge people for the permits (free for disabled). Give people the option to pay for convenience.
Do you seriously think the Council haven't been looking at these aspects and trying to improve them? They've been doing it for years.

The plain truth is that people want to drive and will do unless you somehow prevent them.

The same type of problems occur at schools everywhere across the country.

They already do roads safety improvements where they are needed.

Public transport services are not controlled by the Council. The Council can and does improve the physical infrastructure at bus stops and carries out improvements on routes to speed up services and help punctuality.

"Proper" cycling infrastructure comes at a huge cost and many of our streets are comparatively narrow so it's very difficult to fit in significant cycling infrastructure everywhere. It can also be very unpopular with local people when parking and traffic management arrangements are affected.

Lets not also forget that mainstream transport funding has been slashed by the government, it's now about half what it was a few yeas ago.
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Do you seriously think the Council haven't been looking at these aspects and trying to improve them? They've been doing it for years.

The plain truth is that people want to drive and will do unless you somehow prevent them.

The same type of problems occur at schools everywhere across the country.

They already do roads safety improvements where they are needed.

Public transport services are not controlled by the Council. The Council can and does improve the physical infrastructure at bus stops and carries out improvements on routes to speed up services and help punctuality.

"Proper" cycling infrastructure comes at a huge cost and many of our streets are comparatively narrow so it's very difficult to fit in significant cycling infrastructure everywhere. It can also be very unpopular with local people when parking and traffic management arrangements are affected.

Lets not also forget that mainstream transport funding has been slashed by the government, it's now about half what it was a few yeas ago.
There sums up the attitude of SCC .
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