S c c to introduce red line routes

You can't enforce with devices like that. The equipment has to be type approved by the government and be fully certified for that use.

 

Police don't normally enforce parking contraventions (other than obstruction). Councils generally do that

Police in Manchester will enforce zig-zags with video or still from a mobile phone with submission via email.

Police in Manchester will enforce zig-zags with video or still from a mobile phone with submission via email.

That is filming by police, and not lollipop women :hihi:

Police in Manchester will enforce zig-zags with video or still from a mobile phone with submission via email.

There's a difference between Police prosecuting someone using

evidence which has been captured by someone on video or photo and the Council issuing penalties under powers available to them.

Councils must use government approved devices to capture evidential quality images.

Love this, we have an initiative from the council to try and ease congestion and eradicate senseless parking near schools and not one person has said they think its a good thing. Yes, there may be issues enforcing it but there are issues enforcing other traffic orders in the city as well. The whole point is they are trying and surely thats a good thing? Yes, I know there will be some mums in their Totley tractors who currently drop the kids off on the zigzags will instead drop them off on the redlines. That, sadly, is to be expected. A major problem with enforcing any traffic rule or law in Sheffield is the mixed messages being sent out by the council themselves with bus gates that are openly not enforced as just one example. If a bus gate is there it should be enforced. Make it simple black and white, no grey areas then people MAY respect the rules more.

Post #6 quite clearly says that it's a good thing.

That, sadly, is to be expected. A major problem with enforcing any traffic rule or law in Sheffield is the mixed messages being sent out by the council themselves with bus gates that are openly not enforced as just one example. If a bus gate is there it should be enforced. Make it simple black and white, no grey areas then people MAY respect the rules more.

All bus gates can be enforced by the police.

Not all the current bus gates can be enforced by the Council by camera. This is because the road layout does not allow there to be an escape route for drivers very close to the actual restriction, where they can drive away from it. That means that the independent adjudicators who decide on penalty appeals would be unlikely to uphold penalties issued by camera enforcement. The restriction can still be enforced by the police, whose penalties are issued through the courts.

All bus gates can be enforced by the police.

 

Not all the current bus gates can be enforced by the Council by camera. This is because the road layout does not allow there to be an escape route for drivers very close to the actual restriction, where they can drive away from it. That means that the independent adjudicators who decide on penalty appeals would be unlikely to uphold penalties issued by camera enforcement. The restriction can still be enforced by the police, whose penalties are issued through the courts.

So it would appear that they have been badly constructed / laid out in the first place.

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Post #6 quite clearly says that it's a good thing.

wow, one post. I missed that one. Maybe because it was conditional.

I think that most people have valid concerns that the zone will be no different to the existing zigzags, and/or that the zone will be seriously extended and start impacting residents.

Perhaps just enforcing the existing restrictions would have been an option to improve safety...

I think that most people have valid concerns that the zone will be no different to the existing zigzags, and/or that the zone will be seriously extended and start impacting residents.

 

Perhaps just enforcing the existing restrictions would have been an option to improve safety...

The proposal is to replace Double Yellows with Red Lines.

You are allowed to stop on a Double Yellow to drop someone off, unload or if you have a disabled permit, and you are not allowed to stop at all on a Red Line.

There are very clear differences in the improvement of safety and improving the ease of enforcement.

Zig Zags are a side issue.

And I can see the point of using the red line where the tram runs to be fair.

I'm not against the idea but I just wish the council could solve problems in ways that actually recognise the reasons behind them, rather than just making enforcement stricter.

A red lined zone isn't going to stop people dropping off their kids at school - it will just cause them to relocate the to the closest available non-red-lined area, which will just end up inconveniencing a different set of residents and creating safety issues elsewhere.

Instead, the council could put more effort into solving the problems that are stopping kids from being able to bus, walk or cycle to school.

General safety-focused road improvements around schools (speed limits, crossings, crossing patrols, etc), improved public transport, and proper cycling infrastructure are what's needed.

Another approach would be to designate an official drop-off zone near the school, make it permit-based, and charge people for the permits (free for disabled). Give people the option to pay for convenience.

And I can see the point of using the red line where the tram runs to be fair.

Absolutely.

Interesting to read the Council report behind this and the fact that Red Lines were not available for Council Enforcement outside of London.

Hence our use of yellow lines and Clearways.

Now they are available (SCC say since last year, but some other council's seem to have adopted them a few years ago), they are looking at ways to incorporate them into the overall parking strategy.