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12-10-2017, 21:23   #21
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It's not just getting people to get an electric car though, is it? There are literally thousands of houses and flats around the city who have to rely on on-street parking- how on earth are they meant to get their vehicles to somewhere where they can charge? I was offered a hybrid recently, but even with a disabled parking spot outside my house the only way I could charge it would be to trail a cable out across the pavement, which is both a trip hazard and would allow all and sundry to use the electricity without paying for it.

Until

1) Lots more people have a way to charge these vehicles,

2) The electric vehicles are more capable of dealing with streets like Blake Street and other streets which are very seriously hilly,

3) There is a large improvement in electric car technology such that a long journey doesn't involve a break of several hours in the middle to recharge the car, and

4) The electricity used to charge the cars is not in itself adding more carbon dioxide and pollutants into the atmosphere to negate any gains from having electric cars,

this is a total pipe dream.

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If the government recalled all of the vehicles handed out for free via the disability system and made them all Electric, this would go a long way towards improving the balance of cars on the roads.

Making the brands of cars far more unfashionable might also get rid of a few of the scroungers who don't need a car through disability, but simply blag one! A recent Channel 5 documentary revealed this to be thousands and thousands nationally!!
The vehicles are not handed out free!

When I get my next vehicle, in order to get one that meets my needs (mostly due to my disabilities, also need to fit in very tall people and a dog) I will need to find nearly 2000 advance payment for the lease, and then through the duration of the lease I will surrender nearly 9000 of benefits in order to fund the lease.

If I didn't have a Motability vehicle I would have that 9000 in my bank account in benefits because the government understand that living with disabilities is a lot more expensive than if you're able bodied.

Some use that money to fund taxis or to pay for their own car. I don't have the capital to buy a car that meets my needs so this suits me, but believe me, I'm saving for 3 years in order to have the money to even enter into a lease agreement!

The government statistics on fraudulent disability benefit payment is that approximately 0.5% are awarded inappropriately. If you want to be jealous because I drive a nicer car than you, how about you understand how and why I drive that car? The 99.5% who withstand prejudice, hatred and jealousy just to try to live a normal life really don't warrant the alarmist clap trap.
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12-10-2017, 23:56   #22
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I'd lose my job. Heck, my entire department wouldn't be able to function!

Hang on, hang on... I've just noticed who started this thread
Yeah, I held my response back in time, just as my eye caught the name on the OP. at least my brakes work.
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13-10-2017, 00:34   #23
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Exclusion zone for non electric cars... Come on lad we're in 2017 and we can barely solve potholes on most of our roads.. stop talking nonsense. I suspect you've been reading into too much propaganda from those companies that have something to benefit from
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13-10-2017, 01:09   #24
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Do some joined up thinking ,There is barely enough capacity in the National Grid now so where is the power going to come from for all these Electric cars
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13-10-2017, 01:27   #25
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I know it's a bit of troll thread but.......

No, but mainly because of the difference between the cities. Oxford is more compact for starters and Sheffield has heavier industries and more manufacturing dotted around it when compared with oxford. You'd have to hope there is a big uptake in electric commercial vehicles to make it remotely feasible.
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13-10-2017, 07:30   #26
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The OP has failed to provide a link on the Oxford story. Not surprising as a few news stories are totally inaccurate.

Its something like SIX streets, starting in 2020. And expanding a few more at a time every few years. Its no worse than a bus gate or limited access hours in city centres.
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13-10-2017, 09:59   #28
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what a stupid idea. I loath the people who come up with these ideas. They don't live in the real world. I think they just get a lightbulb moment. They wouldnt be able to provide the infrastructure for a start.

its like trying to ban diesel cars. People who commute a fair distance to and from work will use diesel as its more economical than petrol if they travel long distances.

And then there is the constant trying to herd the car user onto public transport. Unfortunately the public transport system is not fit for purpose and hasn't been for years.
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13-10-2017, 10:09   #29
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But unlike Oxford where its only a city centre exclusion wouldn't it be brave if a 4 mile exclusion zone was introduced?

From hillsbough, to woodseats, to halfway to attercliffe

All non electric vehicles banned

And this would also include hybrid cars, banned too.

This would make a bold statement to the rest of the world that sheffield takes its environmental responsibility seriously.

And that poor health will not be passed onto the next generation from the current generation
Are we to ban non-electric trains as well as non-electric cars, vans, lorries and buses?

How are we to go on if people decided to revert back to using horses and bullocks to provide local transport? I think you may then be objecting to a different pollution?
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13-10-2017, 12:42   #30
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what a stupid idea.
Not really. There's a road running through the main street in Preston, like a smaller version of The Moor. They banned vehicles on it during the day to reduce car emissions affecting pedestrians and making it a generally nicer place.

Aside from a few moaners who ignored the signs and got tickets its been much better.
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13-10-2017, 12:46   #31
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Electric cars only reduce local air pollution. Eventually we may have enough renewable power to effectively reduce the carbon produced in both their use and production.

We need to fundamentally rethink the way we choose to get around which needs to be either via public transport or under our own steam. Sheffield has done pretty poorly for the introduction of cycling infrastructure while other cities have forged ahead on this. However cars are powered there simply isnt enough road space to put all these private vehicles. Cycles use a fraction of the space while having the side effect of getting those who use them fitter and healthier.
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13-10-2017, 12:58   #32
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Banning non diesel vehicles from the City Centre would probably boost usage of the Supertram park and ride facilities but other than that...
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13-10-2017, 13:07   #33
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what a stupid idea. I loath the people who come up with these ideas. They don't live in the real world. I think they just get a lightbulb moment. They wouldnt be able to provide the infrastructure for a start.

its like trying to ban diesel cars. People who commute a fair distance to and from work will use diesel as its more economical than petrol if they travel long distances.

And then there is the constant trying to herd the car user onto public transport. Unfortunately the public transport system is not fit for purpose and hasn't been for years.
And the people that come up with these ideas usually have the funds to be able to purchase an electric car.
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13-10-2017, 13:47   #34
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Banning non diesel vehicles from the City Centre would probably boost usage of the Supertram park and ride facilities but other than that...
Wasnt there talk a few months ago about setting in place plans to ban all diesel vehicles from the city centre by 20XX?
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13-10-2017, 13:52   #35
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Wasnt there talk a few months ago about setting in place plans to ban all diesel vehicles from the city centre by 20XX?
Talking long term the government has put in place a national deadline for phasing out diesel and petrol cars.

This is of course the same government that cancelled rail electrification...
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13-10-2017, 14:57   #36
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Talking long term the government has put in place a national deadline for phasing out diesel and petrol cars.

This is of course the same government that cancelled rail electrification...
This.

They want to stop the sale of new IC engined cars but offer nothing to take their place.
We'll end up like Cuba at this rate with everyone depending on dwindling numbers of ever ageing vehicles.
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13-10-2017, 15:37   #37
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Banning non diesel vehicles from the City Centre would probably boost usage of the Supertram park and ride facilities but other than that...
That is a very good point. However, it may become a bit congested with all the diesel lorries, that have been banned from the city, parked in there unloading their goods onto the tram for delivery into the city centre.
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13-10-2017, 16:14   #38
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That would give you an 8 mile diameter, which would virtually wipe out the whole of Sheffield, even Meadowhall.
Lets do it then!
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13-10-2017, 20:19   #39
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But unlike Oxford where its only a city centre exclusion wouldn't it be brave if a 4 mile exclusion zone was introduced?

From hillsbough, to woodseats, to halfway to attercliffe

All non electric vehicles banned

And this would also include hybrid cars, banned too.

This would make a bold statement to the rest of the world that sheffield takes its environmental responsibility seriously.

And that poor health will not be passed onto the next generation from the current generation
The council have been trying their best to make the city centre a no go zone for motorists for years .
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13-10-2017, 22:48   #40
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The council have been trying their best to make the city centre a no go zone for motorists for years .


You sir are a commited petrol.head

Who is in love with the car

How will you answer to.people in 70 years time who will be choking to death caused by people in 2017 who.drive around in high.powered german cars

People will die in there millions
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