Corbyn offers to do a televised debate with Cameron

Corbyn will not only gift the next election to Tories. He will very likely split the Labour Party. One part moving further left and the rest moving to the centre ground. It will probably split the left of centre vote for several elections beyond 2020. The damage might be irreversible.

Since the old SDP was absorbed into the Lib Dems and Owen's "continuing SDP" folded back in 1990; perhaps it's time for a new one. The conditions are rather similar.

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Is it? i dont read it....

as long as they pay their tax i dont mind.

So if they're not part of the "right wing media brainwashing campaign" why do they also classify Corbyn as "far left"?

Since the old SDP was absorbed into the Lib Dems and Owen's "continuing SDP" folded back in 1990; perhaps it's time for a new one. The conditions are rather similar.

 

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So if they're not part of the "right wing media brainwashing campaign" why do they also classify Corbyn as "far left"?

You would have to ask them that, i dont write for them..

You would have to ask them that, i dont write for them..

Now all of a sudden you're not the font of all knowledge on the workings and intentions of the press. Interesting.

You're dancing around it. But clearly press and people outside of your supposed "right wing media brainwashing" see Corbyn as hard left.

Why is is a problem anyway?

There's nothing wrong with being hard left. If a person is of the view that it would be better for us to have the GDP/capita of North Korea and be united in extreme poverty far worse than anything the UK people have experienced in living memory, they're entitled to say so.

I'm just not going to vote for such a person and neither I suspect will anybody else outside the "donkey with a red rosette" brigade that you obviously belong to.

Is it? i dont read it....

as long as they pay their tax i dont mind.

Shame you don't, they are Corbyn's biggest supporters in the media. He used to write articles for them until recently. Surprised you claim to know all about political bias in the printed and televised media industry but know nothing about the Morning Star.

FYI, the editorial view of the Morning Star is taken from Britain's Road to Socialism, the programme of the Communist Party of Britain.

The editor of the Morning Star is Ben Chacko, a member of the Communist Party of Britain. A fine example of the middle class left wing, with a mother educated at Oxford, a brother a leading tax barrister and he himself was educated at a grammar school later going to Oxford where he studied Mandarin.

Now all of a sudden you're not the font of all knowledge on the workings and intentions of the press. Interesting.

 

You're dancing around it. But clearly press and people outside of your supposed "right wing media brainwashing" see Corbyn as hard left.

 

Why is is a problem anyway?

There's nothing wrong with being hard left. If a person is of the view that it would be better for us to have the GDP/capita of North Korea and be united in extreme poverty far worse than anything the UK people have experienced in living memory, they're entitled to say so.

I'm just not going to vote for such a person and neither I suspect will anybody else outside the "donkey with a red rosette" brigade that you obviously belong to.

If you regard him as hard left, well thats up to you, i for one just regard him as a left, i cant imagine why he should be called hard left, but i suppose it suits the media to portray him as hard left, its makes him appear a little scary, it certainly seems to have you lot in a panic,

when the BBC talk about Corbyn, they always refer to him as Mr Corbyn the hard left leader, when they mention Cameron they dont mention he is a right winger, its just Mr Cameron, its all put that doubt in peoples minds, if he was actually hard left, then great, but he is not, when you compare him to true socialists from the 60's, then you will see he is only sightly to the left....but if you want to argue about whether he is left, or hard left, we can argue the point all day. but i feel we will not agree on it..

If you regard him as hard left, well thats up to you, i for one just regard him as a left, i cant imagine why he should be called hard left, but i suppose it suits the media to portray him as hard left, its makes him appear a little scary, it certainly seems to have you lot in a panic,

when the BBC talk about Corbyn, they always refer to him as Mr Corbyn the hard left leader, when they mention Cameron they dont mention he is a right winger, its just Mr Cameron, its all put that doubt in peoples minds, if he was actually hard left, then great, but he is not, when you compare him to true socialists from the 60's, then you will see he is only sightly to the left....but if you want to argue about whether he is left, or hard left, we can argue the point all day. but i feel we will not agree on it..

These terms evolve. What does it matter if he wouldn't be hard left by '60s standards. It's todays standards that matter.

A lot of us are keen that Corbyn shouldn't run the country. Largely because the last time somebody like him was in charge we had the IMF in and it took over a decade to recover.

He's proposing to try policies that were disastrous before and send us the way of Greece.

Shame you don't, they are Corbyn's biggest supporters in the media. He used to write articles for them until recently. Surprised you claim to know all about political bias in the printed and televised media industry but know nothing about the Morning Star.

 

FYI, the editorial view of the Morning Star is taken from Britain's Road to Socialism, the programme of the Communist Party of Britain.

 

The editor of the Morning Star is Ben Chacko, a member of the Communist Party of Britain. A fine example of the middle class left wing, with a mother educated at Oxford, a brother a leading tax barrister and he himself was educated at a grammar school later going to Oxford where he studied Mandarin.

Have i stated i know all about Bias reporting?

I just state how i see things, whether that rattles your cage or not is up to you,

as for newspapers, i dont bother with any of them, i do most of my readin on the tinterweb

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These terms evolve. What does it matter if he wouldn't be hard left by '60s standards. It's todays standards that matter.

 

A lot of us are keen that Corbyn shouldn't run the country. Largely because the last time somebody like him was in charge we had the IMF in and it took over a decade to recover.

He's proposing to try policies that were disastrous before and send us the way of Greece.

Ah, i dont agree on that point, it just suits the medias interest to call him that,

it gets people into a panic..

talking about disastrous policies, Gideon doesnt seem to be doing too well does he? he was boasting how well we were doing a few months ago, now he is all doom and gloom foretelling impending disasters, looks like he has messed up

Have i stated i know all about Bias reporting?

I just state how i see things, whether that rattles your cage or not is up to you,

as for newspapers, i dont bother with any of them, i do most of my readin on the tinterweb

 

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Ah, i dont agree on that point, it just suits the medias interest to call him that,

it gets people into a panic..

talking about disastrous policies, Gideon doesnt seem to be doing too well does he? he was boasting how well we were doing a few months ago, now he is all doom and gloom foretelling impending disasters, looks like he has messed up

The Morning Star don't want people to panic. They want people to vote for him. Yet they describe him the same way.

If you want to convince people that Corbyn's policies are good. State them and explain how they would make things better.

Many won't agree, but they'll listen. Exercise your free speech constructively and persuade people that your ideas and the ideas of those you support can make the country better.

Concentrate on showing that people are wrong, rather than questioning their reasons for saying things. That's how it's supposed to work.

Have i stated i know all about Bias reporting?

I just state how i see things, whether that rattles your cage or not is up to you

It's not rattling my cage at all, though you can't accuse people of being brainwashed by right wing press without seeming to understand much about media political bias beyond links to blogs and the Guardian.

You really should have a read of the Morning Star, you'd enjoy it, I'm not even being facetious.

The Morning Star don't want people to panic. They want people to vote for him. Yet they describe him the same way.

If you want to convince people that Corbyn's policies are good. State them and explain how they would make things better.

Many won't agree, but they'll listen. Exercise your free speech constructively and persuade people that your ideas and the ideas of those you support can make the country better.

Concentrate on showing that people are wrong, rather than questioning their reasons for saying things. That's how it's supposed to work.

As i have posted before...

recent public opinion polls...

• He supports a publicly run NHS, a position supported by 84% of the public.

• He supports the nationalisation of the railways, a position backed by 66% of the public.

• He supports the nationalisation of the energy companies, a position supported by 68% of the public.

• He believes the Royal Mail should be publicly owned, a position supported by 67% of the public.

• He supports rent controls, a position supported by 60% of the public.

• He has long pushed for the withdrawal of British troops from Afghanistan, a position favoured by 82% of the public.

As i have posted before...

 

 

recent public opinion polls...

• He supports a publicly run NHS, a position supported by 84% of the public.

• He supports the nationalisation of the railways, a position backed by 66% of the public.

• He supports the nationalisation of the energy companies, a position supported by 68% of the public.

• He believes the Royal Mail should be publicly owned, a position supported by 67% of the public.

• He supports rent controls, a position supported by 60% of the public.

• He has long pushed for the withdrawal of British troops from Afghanistan, a position favoured by 82% of the public.

Okay great. Myself I'm unconvinced about the nationalisation plans, but they're hardly crazy. They are expensive to the state though.

Rent control I'm pretty sure wouldn't work. Most private landlords have mortgages to pay. If you force the rent down, they'll just sell.

He's not just an MP now though. He's a prospective PM.

What changes would he and the shadow Chancellor make to the tax system? I'm especially interested in the personal income tax allowance, the rates and thresholds of income tax overall and the VAT rate. If there are any planned changes to NI, that would be important too.