Temperance bars for the youth?

Young people are skint, they can't afford to indulge and become feckless inebriates like their parents and older siblings did (and still do). A temperance bar would be a good business decision, it would provide a place for them to socialise, and without highly regressive alcohol taxation to consider, one could sell drinks (fruit juice, coffee etc.) for far far less than the price of a pint, and increase the profit margin massively.

They'd also be more inclined to go to these venues, as they would be able to socialise with people their own age, pubs nowadays are devoid of young people, they are full of older people. The average age of a customer in my local pub must already be North of 60.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25652991

Just 12% of 11-to-15-year olds said they had drunk alcohol in the previous week in 2011 - down from 26% a decade earlier, according to National Health Service statistics. The proportion who said they had ever drunk alcohol fell from 61% to 45% over the same period.

 

Among older teenagers and young adults, the pattern was the same. In 1998 71% of 16-to-26-year-olds said they'd had an alcoholic drink that week. By 2010 only 48% did so.

 

It's in sharp contrast with the middle aged who, as the Spectator's Fraser Nelson has observed, are spending more on alcohol than ever. He calls this the "Ab Fab" effect, after the BBC comedy Absolutely Fabulous, in which daughter Saffron watches with disgust as her mum and her friends get legless.

Young people need a place to socialise, and pubs are not the place to be. They are full of ****** up pensioners who go out, blowing their generous weekly welfare payments and cause trouble.

The 'too responsible for their own good, generation', need somewhere to go out and socialise with people their own age.

What do you think?

You do realise that pubs sell soft drinks? And indeed so do cafe's, coffee shops and many other venues.

So apart from a fancy name, what exactly is the unique point of this bar?

I also think that a trip to town on a Friday night would disabuse you of the idea that the pubs are full of pensioners and that the young don't go out and don't drink.

You do realise that pubs sell soft drinks? And indeed so do cafe's, coffee shops and many other venues.

 

So apart from a fancy name, what exactly is the unique point of this bar?

 

I also think that a trip to town on a Friday night would disabuse you of the idea that the pubs are full of pensioners and that the young don't go out and don't drink.

Compare a Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday night in the pub today, to a Sunday, M, Tu, W, Th 10 years ago.

Compare a Friday/Saturday night today to one ten years ago.

I don't deny the fact that a minority of young people still go out to drink. But they are now a minority of the youth. Young people are drinking less than ever.

What's the average age in your local? How has that age changed in the last 10 years?

I don't go to my local, so perhaps why the average age is higher than it used to be.

I'm only an anecdote of course, but except when I was a student I've never gone to the pub on a S, M, T, W, or T (holidays excepted).

Friday and Sat night appear to be as busy as they ever were though, there's no shortage of students out in town and no decline in the amount of drinking they do.

You missed my point though, we don't want to encourage people to drink, you're suggesting some 'new' type of bar, but I'm pointing out that venues exist that sell the products you mentioned. So what's special about your temperance bar that will suddenly tempt the young to go there when they (according to you) don't want to go to the pub.

 

Friday and Sat night appear to be as busy as they ever were though, there's no shortage of students out in town and no decline in the amount of drinking they do.

Drinking has been falling, particularly the amount of drinking in younger age groups as confirmed by multiple surveys and alcohol sales, the amount of pubs and clubs has been falling. The only age group to show an increase in drinking, and visits to the pub is the over 60s.

You missed my point though, we don't want to encourage people to drink, you're suggesting some 'new' type of bar, but I'm pointing out that venues exist that sell the products you mentioned. So what's special about your temperance bar that will suddenly tempt the young to go there when they (according to you) don't want to go to the pub.

Maybe we don't want to encourage people to drink. But socialising is a good thing, and with an ever increasing proportion of young people who do not drink, surely venues that they can attend which are devoid of alcohol are a good thing. And I say this as a relatively young person who is a heavy drinker. Very few of my friends wish to attend pubs, and even I am now put off, due to a lack of people my own age frequenting them.

If there were alcohol free bars, I would be quite likely to reduce my drinking and attend. When I have had the opportunity to visit cannabis cafes and shisha cafes in the past with friends, I've gone, had fun, and not drunk a drop of alcohol.

Young people are skint, they can't afford to indulge and become feckless inebriates like their parents and older siblings did (and still do). A temperance bar would be a good business decision, it would provide a place for them to socialise, and without highly regressive alcohol taxation to consider, one could sell drinks (fruit juice, coffee etc.) for far far less than the price of a pint, and increase the profit margin massively.

 

They'd also be more inclined to go to these venues, as they would be able to socialise with people their own age, pubs nowadays are devoid of young people, they are full of older people. The average age of a customer in my local pub must already be North of 60.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25652991

 

 

 

Young people need a place to socialise, and pubs are not the place to be. They are full of ****** up pensioners who go out, blowing their generous weekly welfare payments and cause trouble.

 

The 'too responsible for their own good, generation', need somewhere to go out and socialise with people their own age.

 

What do you think?

But young people know where other people socialize. Do you seriously believe that young people walk into a pub only to be shocked to find no one their own age is there. There are various places in town which i know are full of young people and i also know the places that are full of the middle aged and old. I don't need a patronizing bar where i can be "juice" and "cofee" and play table football/

Young people are skint, they can't afford to indulge and become feckless inebriates like their parents and older siblings did (and still do). A temperance bar would be a good business decision, it would provide a place for them to socialise, and without highly regressive alcohol taxation to consider, one could sell drinks (fruit juice, coffee etc.) for far far less than the price of a pint, and increase the profit margin massively.

 

They'd also be more inclined to go to these venues, as they would be able to socialise with people their own age, pubs nowadays are devoid of young people, they are full of older people. The average age of a customer in my local pub must already be North of 60.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25652991

 

 

 

Young people need a place to socialise, and pubs are not the place to be. They are full of ****** up pensioners who go out, blowing their generous weekly welfare payments and cause trouble.

 

The 'too responsible for their own good, generation', need somewhere to go out and socialise with people their own age.

 

What do you think?

I remember a temperance bar by the Abbeydale cinema decades ago. A couple of things spring to mind. The Sasparilla that they sold wasn't massively cheaper than beer. Nor did it ever get packed.

Judging by the price of soft drinks in pubs these days there wouldn't be a price advantage selling non alcoholic drinks and the inability to sell alcohol would make it difficult to compete with pubs. Which is probably why they all closed down.

This could bring about a return of the Coffee Bars of the 1950's.

That gave us Cliff Richard.

HELP !!!

Young people need a place to socialise, and pubs are not the place to be. They are full of ****** up pensioners who go out, blowing their generous weekly welfare payments and cause trouble.

 

The 'too responsible for their own good, generation', need somewhere to go out and socialise with people their own age.

 

What do you think?

if you think it's a good idea, get off your bum and open one

You do realise that pubs sell soft drinks? And indeed so do cafe's, coffee shops and many other venues.

 

So apart from a fancy name, what exactly is the unique point of this bar?

 

I also think that a trip to town on a Friday night would disabuse you of the idea that the pubs are full of pensioners and that the young don't go out and don't drink.

Pubs don't specialise in soft drinks, they usually charge high prices for crap ones & they tend to attract people who are drinking.

Cafes & coffee shops usually close in the evening, and pretty much just do coffee.

Temperance bars used to be popular back before 'war, according to my grandparents. They did a wide selection of high quality soft drinks that are really hard to find these days.

Maybe there could be a market for one in Sheffield.

A lot of young people do drink less than their parents, or don't drink at all. There are more people who don't drink for religious reasons too.

Didn't they use to be called Youth Clubs? Can't see it takiing off nowadays...

I don't know. A lot of pubs have started concentrating on food to replace the lost trade on alcohol. People don't drink & drive like they used to, they don't want to take kids to loud rowdy pubs full of obnoxious drunken deaf pensioners, etc. There's teenagers who can't get served in pubs now too, muslims & other people who don't drink.

I can't see them being on every street corner, but there is probably room for a few places open in the evening not serving alcohol.