Lockdoctor   10 #4633 Posted October 21, 2018 Cameron had really poor judgement. That’s why he ended up in a shed at the bottom of his garden. Nothing he said legally or morally binds any government. I agree Cameron had poor judgement regarding the EU. Cameron wrongly thought he could reform the EU and get more favourable terms for the UK before the EU referendum vote. Cameron was unlucky with the timing of the EU referendum vote because the European migrant refugee crisis worsened after the 2015 General Election.  If Scotland had voted for independence then most likely Cameron would have ended up in his shed sooner and there would never have been an EU referendum. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Top Cats Hat   10 #4634 Posted October 21, 2018 Parliament past legislation before the referendum vote in order to approve the 2016 EU Referendum vote taking place.  Good!  Now show me the part of that legislation which said that if we leave the EU it will be forever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Lockdoctor   10 #4635 Posted October 21, 2018 Good! Now show me the part of that legislation which said that if we leave the EU it will be forever. David Cameron's statement the UK will leave the EU forever is the logical conclusion to the consequences of a leave victory in the EU referendum. The reason why he made such claims was to encourage the electorate to think very carefully before they chose which way to vote. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Top Cats Hat   10 #4636 Posted October 21, 2018  The reason why he made such claims was to encourage the electorate to think very carefully before they chose which way to vote.  So we are agreed then, that Cameron's comments were simply personal opinion and had no legal or constitutional authority? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Lockdoctor   10 #4637 Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) So we are agreed then, that Cameron's comments were simply personal opinion and had no legal or constitutional authority? After the UK do leave the EU assuming it does happen, then it is most unlikely the UK will ever rejoin the EU. I believe David Cameron was correct in making that statement you're commenting on before a very important democratic vote on the UK's membership of the EU. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing when you mention legal or constitutional authority. The fact is leave won the EU referendum vote and that decision should be implemented just as the Prime Minister, who was in charge of arranging the EU referendum at the time, said it would be. . Edited October 21, 2018 by Lockdoctor correction Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Litotes   63 #4638 Posted October 21, 2018 After the UK do leave the EU assuming it does happen, then it is most unlikely the UK will never rejoin the EU.  So you think the UK will rejoin the EU (double negative in the sentence above "unlikely" & "will never") - if we do, then we would never get as good terms as we have at the moment so what you are suggesting is that we must leave because someone without authority said we would... when actually we'd be better off not leaving.  Crazy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Lockdoctor   10 #4639 Posted October 21, 2018 So you think the UK will rejoin the EU (double negative in the sentence above "unlikely" & "will never") - if we do, then we would never get as good terms as we have at the moment so what you are suggesting is that we must leave because someone without authority said we would... when actually we'd be better off not leaving. Crazy! Yes i should have wrote ever. I will edit.  After all the hassle the current Government are having in implementing the wishes of the democratic people, then it is most unlikely in my opinion a future Government would wish to rejoin an organisation which is so difficult to leave. There can be no guarantee that all of the EU members would want the UK to rejoin them again in the future as a consequences of all the problems the UK have inflicted on them, by deciding to leave.  You are correct the UK would not have the same favourable terms, if they did rejoin so it would be ludicrous for any future UK Government to even reconsider applying to rejoin the EU. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
hobinfoot   25 #4640 Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) What argument ? I was answering the question about why some of todays protesters didn't vote in 2016  You mentioned the 16/17 year olds who didn't vote in 2016 marching in London now they're 18/19. It's immaterial to mention 16/17 year olds who weren't old enough to vote back in 2016. Edited October 21, 2018 by hobinfoot Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Simon Ennis   10 #4641 Posted October 21, 2018 We haven't had Brexit yet, so we haven't had the opportunity to get any of the benefits of it.  We have however had the worst part of a leave vote - which was the immediate uncertainty causing a financial crisis and another recession which of course never happened. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Car Boot   10 #4642 Posted October 21, 2018 The next demonstration will be even bigger. They can’t ignore it.  Ha ha. Winter is coming.  You believe these pampered, priviledged and predominantly middle-class EU worshippers will turn out in even greater numbers in the cold and the wet? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tinfoilhat   11 #4643 Posted October 21, 2018 We haven't had Brexit yet, so we haven't had the opportunity to get any of the benefits of it. We have however had the worst part of a leave vote - which was the immediate uncertainty causing a financial crisis and another recession which of course never happened.  What benefits do you think we will get? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Simon Ennis   10 #4644 Posted October 21, 2018 What benefits do you think we will get?  This is a list too long for me to be able to textualise at the moment I'm afraid. I would recommend reading Daniel Hannan's book as a start. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...