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03-10-2015, 16:57   #41
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Old directories indicate that 148 Clarence Street was on the south side, about halfway between Moore Street and Clarence Lane (see here from the 1925 Kelly's Directory). This places it opposite the end of Michael Road. Here is a comparison of old and new maps (from maps.nls.uk) with yellow dots indicating the position of No 148.
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16-05-2016, 20:32   #42
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Hi
I remember visiting my Gran in clarence Street in the sixties and her name was Jessie Self (nee Moorhouse)and she lived with her son Raymond Self Who later became my dad. I would be about 5 or 6 at the time and i wondered if anyone can remember her and which house number she lived at and also any relatives that also lived in the area. She was one of 14 brothers and sisters but only 10 survived birth.
When Clarence Street was demolished she was moved to a 4 storie block of flats on Blackstock road.
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16-05-2016, 21:21   #43
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Hi Minan - welcome to the Forum!

I can tell you which house your gran lived in. The "1939 register" shows that Horace and Jessie Self lived at No 2/4 Clarence Street, that is, the fourth house in the second "court". The occupants of court houses (which were usually, though not always, of the back-to-back type) were not listed individually in directories, but click here to see a scan from the 1954 Kelly's Directory. I've indicated the reference to Court 2 - access would have been through a passage to the yard, with four houses facing the yard

In case it's of interest, here is an edited scan from the 1939 register.
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16-05-2016, 22:04   #44
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Hillsboro, have you any records of the houses around 111 Moore Street? 1939 and 1954. Many thanks in anticipation.
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16-05-2016, 22:46   #45
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Hillsboro, have you any records of the houses around 111 Moore Street? 1939 and 1954...
Here are scans from the 1937 (left) and 1954 Kelly's directories.
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17-05-2016, 05:12   #46
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Thanks for that Hillsboro. It's appreciated.
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18-05-2016, 20:30   #47
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hi minan
knew your gran very well and son Raymond and you have lots of relatives in and around Sheffield.
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20-05-2016, 17:44   #48
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Hi
I can't see my gran on the scan you sent me only the arrow pointing to court 2
Is there a reason for this.
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20-05-2016, 21:49   #49
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I can't see my gran on the scan you sent me only the arrow pointing to court 2. Is there a reason for this.
Unfortunately the occupants of "court" houses were not listed individually in directories as I mentioned. It's a nuisance for family history researchers, and I don't know why Kelly's did it! Their directories just show where each court was in relation to the numbered houses. In case it's of interest, here is a scan from the 1911 census return with your gran's family as it was then; they lived nearby at 79 Moore Street.
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21-05-2016, 10:26   #50
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Just as a matter of interest it would seem that the Kelly's directories also missed off a lot of smaller road, too. I was trying to find Beeley Street off the bottom of Cemetery Road but they don't list it.

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21-05-2016, 10:58   #51
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Until about 1964, Kelly's gave a "list of smaller streets, lanes &c. in Sheffield" just before the main street-by-street section. Often these had no houses on them, or I suppose if they only had "court" houses then Kelly's wouldn't list the occupants. Here is a scan from the 1959 edition - Beeley Street is shown simply as "London Road (2)".
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27-05-2016, 09:46   #52
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Thanks for for the reply the scan you have sent has really started the old brain cell going crazy so many names that I had totally forgotten but I still cant place Victor Bujko.
hiya jack tell me can you remember a mrs skinner just above hodgson st on the right side looking up towards boomhall st,well across the road lived a lad who played the trombone he used to practice in the attic also can you remember the hill brothers who had a vegitable barrow on the bit of spare land on the end of bridgefield rd, they lived in the first yard on bridgefield rd one was called harry, the sister's name was margaret she was my godmother.

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06-06-2016, 23:29   #53
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Hi there, from what I've found through Ancestry my great grandmother Susannah Hoyland had a number of brothers and sisters .....
Anne E Hoyland b 1869
William Hoyland 1874
Elizabeth Hoyland 1876
Emma Hoyland 1881
Susannah Hoyland 1883
Frederick Hoyland 1886
Morris Hoyland 1892
Their parents were John Hoyland 1849-1907 and Mary Stych 1853-1907.

Do these names mean anything to you ????
would you by any chance be the Hayden Smith who worked at Rabone Chesterman? If so hi you worked with my mother Betty Smith.
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07-10-2016, 11:27   #54
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Does anyone remember Mr Bujko? He was a Polish watchmaker who had a little shop at the bottom of Clarence Street (near the junction with Hurst Road) from the early 1950s until c. 1962 when the houses were demolished. Marjan Bujko (1929-2004) came to England as a refugee after the war and settled here. He actually worked for H. Samuel's and his wife ran the shop. They were both really nice people. My grandma bought my first watch there, as a present for passing my 11-plus. Memories!
my mother had a secondhand shop a few doors away all the buffers used to buy from her
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Hi, A bit late to this but thought I would reply, reading it has brought back many memories of life around the Moorfoot in the 60 and 70's.

I am craig dewsnap, along with Mum (Doreen/Dot) and dad (Ron) sisters Elaine, Susan, brothers Ronnie, Keith and Andrew we lived in 44 Michael Rd, around the corner from Clarence st and actually in the next yard to the Bujko's.

Mr and Mrs Bujkco (I cant call them Victor and Evlyn !) were indeed the nicest of people, we were big friends with their son's David and Mark. Evelyn regularly used to walk their dog up to Endliffe Park and back down frog walk with a gang of local kids in tow.

Our house in Michael rd was a 2 up, 2 down terrace with one cold tap in the corner of the kitchen and an outside loo in the yard. Newspaper served as toilet paper and if you were posh it would be cut into squares and hung on a nail (we weren't posh). It was only the late 60's but my kids think I'm talking about another planet from a million years ago.

The Moorfoot then was like the biggest kids adventure playground ever, slum clearance, building the Hanover and Broomhall flats, building the power station, Santa's Grotto, the Tyre Dump, scrompin - we got ourselves into all kinds of trouble and its a wonder that there no serious injuries. Not really bad kids, just an adventurous and mischievous gang that made their own entertainment. I remember sitting on the step outside Pikes corner shop one Sunday afternoon, leaning back and the door opening, they'd forgotton to lock it. Did we raid it for sweets - no, we told Mrs Bujko and she phoned them to come back and lock up.

A few darker memories mixed in of life back then, but mostly happy thoughts !
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Hi Craig,

I knew you when you were very little. I was a friend of Elaines and we were round your house quite often. I have been in touch with Elaine over in Oz over recent years until she sadly passed away not long ago. It felt like a part of my childhood went with her.
I was so pleased to see your post. I do hope that you are well and happy. Do you still live in or near Sheffield? Are you still in touch with all your family. How has life treated them all? Was Elaine the only one who flew to the other side of the world to live? It would be lovely to hear your news and catch up with it all.

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14-11-2017, 17:35   #57
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Hi Granny Pat,
Elaine did mention before she passed away that she had been in touch with a few of her old friends on the forum. I think I'm right in that your surname was Owen and you had a couple of brothers about our Ronnies age (Pete and Tony ?). Her passing was big loss for all of us, as you know she was so much more than a big sister to us. A quick run down on the rest of the clan,
Susan married Stewart and they emigrated to Canada, returning to Sheffield in the late 70's. They have now (about 12 years ago) emigrated to New Zealand along with their son Philip who is a teacher and they have a Grandaughter. Susan was a Teacher/Head Mistress/Lecturer in Education but is now retired
Ronnie is married to Gill and they stiil live at Beauchief with a grown up son and grand daughter in Bath. Ronnie is now retired after many years working in Telecoms.
Keith is married to Barbara, they still live in Stannington and have a son who actually lives in the flats where the old Wards Brewery was. Keith is also a Telecoms Engineer and still works for BT specialising in IT security.
Youngest brother Andrew married an Australian girl (Kylie) and they have 2 daughters, they have lived in Melbourne for many years, although he is currently working in Hong Kong (he is a lawyer). As for me, I did an apprenticeship as an Electrician before moving into the IT and outsourcing industry. I married Kim (a nurse who trained at the the Northern General) in 1986 and my job took us to Solihull in 1989 where we have been ever since. I'm kind of retired now in that Kim is partners in a couple of Lingerie shops and I help out with the backoffice stuff and have also done a lot property renovation over the last 10 years. We have 2 kids, Amy (29 lives in Leeds) and James (25 and lives in Crawley) - sadly no grandchildren yet ! After all this time we still think of Sheffield as home and when we retire properly our plan is to maybe move back to the Hope Valley area. Still visit Sheffield on a regular basis with family and friends still there, it's a great City.
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15-11-2017, 09:50   #58
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Hi Craig.

Thank you so much for your reply. Wow! You all made such a success of your lives. Your mum and dad would be so proud of you all, Elaine too. Youíre all so spread out, do you ever manage to get to see each other at all?

You are quite right in saying that my maiden name was Owen but I donít have any brothers. You are thinking about Peter and Tony Orwin who lived in the same yard as us but no relation.

Iím like you in that I too still think of myself as a Sheffielder but I donít go back very often. The Sheffield that I know and love doesnít exist any more other than in my memories. When I go back thereís nothing I recognise. Even the roads have changed. Where we used to live there are huge big buildings and even St. Silas school has had another storey built on top and has been made into flats. The Arcade where I used to work as a window dresser has been knocked down and a supermarket put in itís place. A supermarket with no character and is exactly like every other supermarket the length and breadth of Britain. The old Arcade had character and had been a part of my life since the day I was born. It progress they say but itís all plastic and surface with no substance. (Ooops! Iím showing my age again).

Iím a widow and I now live in West Dorset. I have 3 grown up children. Steven lives in Worcester with his wife Abby. Abbyís father also lives in Solihull, in Knowle to be precise. My youngest is Lee who lives in North Devon with his partner Steph. Last but not least is my eldest Debbie who lives about 5 miles away from me. She is divorced with 2 children. I am retired but I do work one day a week at our local hospice in the day care centre.

Anyway, thanks for your reply. Look after yourself.

Pat
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