melthebell   862 #133 Posted January 17, 2018 Thousands are going to go bust - which was what Anna said. I don't doubt there are five figures of suppliers, but unless they are spectacularly badly managed they shouldnt go bust. One smaller company on the news last night was owed a million pounds by em, not many small companies have say a million pounds they can just......forget about. They got rid of the 2 office staff that day in tears, needed the frontline staff to do the work if it comes in Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Obelix   11 #134 Posted January 17, 2018 That's one of the daftest things I've ever heard.  Small businesses have to start somewhere, they are vulnerable and many of these will not be able to stand the hit. Business depends on bills being paid, workers being paid, supplies being bought, etc. When they are not paid the chain breaks down. That is not bad management on their part, they have fulfilled their part of the bargain, it's the fault of Carillion at the top of the chain.  Oh there's no denying that some will have problems yes. But I dont think it's the apocalyptic vision you paint, no matter how much you fervently wish it were true Anna.  If you have a company and you are doing most of your business with one supplier or customer then that is a risk that you should not take on. That's basic business management whcih you seem to fail to grasp. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ENG601PM   10 #135 Posted January 17, 2018 Seems to be a Phillip Green speciality that lol and whats your party trick sir...oh i can make cash vanish out of pension pots  There are two Philip Green's. Basic checks son, basic checks.  ---------- Post added 17-01-2018 at 12:05 ----------  Basic checks are what caused this mess. Checks like that the clients aren't giving contracts to firms who submit tender prices under the cost of doing the work in the hope of making up the difference during the job.  This practice is rife, and every part of the public sector is as guilty as sin. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Anna B   1,365 #136 Posted January 17, 2018 Oh there's no denying that some will have problems yes. But I dont think it's the apocalyptic vision you paint, no matter how much you fervently wish it were true Anna. If you have a company and you are doing most of your business with one supplier or customer then that is a risk that you should not take on. That's basic business management whcih you seem to fail to grasp.  Of course I don't wish it were true. There's a lot of hard working people going to suffer because of this. Why would I want that?  My argument is why the government think outsourcing public works is a good idea when it goes so spectacularly wrong so often. G4S, Capita, Virgin Stagecoach, etc to name a few. They are becoming a byword for incompetence and corruption, with the management getting massive payouts, bonuses etc. and the state subsidising the losses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   862 #137 Posted January 17, 2018 There are two Philip Green's. Basic checks son, basic checks. erm check what i wrote again, i KNOW theres two Phillip Greens, thats why i put "A" Phillip Green, NOT "THE" Phillip Green, losing pension pots seems to be the speciality that ALL Phillip Greens do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ENG601PM Â Â 10 #138 Posted January 17, 2018 erm check what i wrote again, i KNOW theres two Phillip Greens, thats why i put "A" Phillip Green, NOT "THE" Phillip Green, losing pension pots seems to be the speciality that ALL Phillip Greens do. Â Mel, son, that's not even A little bit convincing. Do yourself A favour. Have A bit of dignity. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   862 #139 Posted January 17, 2018 Mel, son, that's not even a little bit convincing. Do yourself a favour. oh shush troll, always out to get one over on everybody else, yet wont admit when youre wrong. EVERYBODY knows its a different Phillip Green, or should, he has a different face from the BHS furore LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ENG601PM Â Â 10 #140 Posted January 17, 2018 oh shush troll, always out to get one over on everybody else, yet wont admit when youre wrong. EVERYBODY knows its a different Phillip Green, or should, he has a different face from the BHS furore LOL Â Nope, still no dignity. You didn't know that there was a Philip Green at Carillion until Anna B mentioned it just before you. Â But I don't need to tell YOU what EVERYBODY knows. LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   862 #141 Posted January 17, 2018 Nope, still no dignity. You didn't know that there was a Philip Green at Carillion until Anna B mentioned it just before you.  But I don't need to tell YOU what EVERYBODY knows. LOL yeah yeah Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Obelix   11 #142 Posted January 17, 2018 My argument is why the government think outsourcing public works is a good idea  No your argument was about how it was going to cause thousands of companies to vanish and why it was a bellweather for the economy suddenly and in the face of everything plunging inthe Abyss.  You dont get to gish gallop and change like that Anna.  So do you concede that although regrettable there is not likely to be many thousands of other companies folding, and there wont be a sudden 1930's style crash? When you do then I'll move to your next point and demolish that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
hackey lad   3,825 #143 Posted January 17, 2018 Nope, still no dignity. You didn't know that there was a Philip Green at Carillion until Anna B mentioned it just before you.  But I don't need to tell YOU what EVERYBODY knows. LOL  Ha Ha , Mel got done up there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Anna B   1,365 #144 Posted January 18, 2018 No your argument was about how it was going to cause thousands of companies to vanish and why it was a bellweather for the economy suddenly and in the face of everything plunging inthe Abyss. You dont get to gish gallop and change like that Anna.  So do you concede that although regrettable there is not likely to be many thousands of other companies folding, and there wont be a sudden 1930's style crash? When you do then I'll move to your next point and demolish that.  You've demolished nothing sunshine. And for some people the 1930s is already here. But Life's too short. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...