melthebell   863 #9769 Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) Funds returned from Brussels ARE a Brexit dividend! Please keep up. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-44516123  "Some of the extra funding I am promising will come from using the money we will no longer spend on our annual membership subscription to the European Union after we have left." That we havent got and might never have if we find it will cost far more to opt out of everything.  However, she added that "taxpayers will have to contribute a bit more in a fair and balanced way to support the NHS we all use". more like it, NO brexit dividend, all propaganda all nicely lapped up by the brexit lapdogs  Health Secretary Jeremy Hunt said the boost in funding was agreed with the Treasury on the basis it would come from three sources - Brexit, economic growth and the taxation system.  if we dont get funds from brexit, and the economy doesnt grow because of brexit, that leaves one way, taxes  talking of which, oooh look https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44502979  UK economy faces weakest growth since 2009, employers warn  and households "could" be 1k worse off https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44511829 Edited June 18, 2018 by melthebell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
L00b   441 #9770 Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) There's no Brexit dividend when the money we won't be paying is less than the reduced tax take due to the smaller post Brexit economy. No-one is seriously pretending that any form of Brexit isn't going to make us poorer.Isn't it a little bit ironic to see Brexiteers like Car Boot resort to 'Brexit dividend' economic arguments in opportunistic support of Brexit, when they've been shutting down Remainers' economic arguments as 'Project Fear' so steadfastly for the last 2 years? Well, I see the fun in it anyway Edited June 18, 2018 by L00b Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
hackey lad   3,979 #9771 Posted June 18, 2018 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-44516123  That we havent got and might never have if we find it will cost far more to opt out of everything.   more like it, NO brexit dividend, all propaganda all nicely lapped up by the brexit lapdogs    if we dont get funds from brexit, and the economy doesnt grow because of brexit, that leaves one way, taxes  talking of which, oooh look https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44502979    and households "could" be 1k worse off https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-44511829  Lots of "ifs" , "coulds" and "mights" in there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   863 #9772 Posted June 18, 2018 Lots of "ifs" , "coulds" and "mights" in there and is there proof that this NHS money is coming from brexit money? nope, just hot air, and wishful thinking....oh and taxes. the whole brexit thing is built on ifs and buts, there wasnt a plan before the vote, there wasnt a plan after, there still isnt a plan, and nothings been negoiated so how can they say we will get a brexit dividend? it just defies logical thinking, pure propaganda Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
hackey lad   3,979 #9773 Posted June 18, 2018 and is there proof that this NHS money is coming from brexit money? nope, just hot air, and wishful thinking....oh and taxes. the whole brexit thing is built on ifs and buts, there wasnt a plan before the vote, there wasnt a plan after, there still isnt a plan, and nothings been negoiated so how can they say we will get a brexit dividend? it just defies logical thinking, pure propaganda  Propaganda is aplenty on both sides Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Longcol   602 #9774 Posted June 18, 2018 "We will use funds returned from Brussels after Brexit to invest in our public services and the jobs of the future, not tax cuts for the richest"  Jeremy Corbyn, February 2018.  Voting Leave was, in reality, a vote to save the NHS.  Might be a tad more convincing if he'd said it before the referendum - and somehow can't see that the huge numbers of Tories who voted leave wanted more public spending. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
tzijlstra   11 #9775 Posted June 19, 2018 Isn't it a little bit ironic to see Brexiteers like Car Boot resort to 'Brexit dividend' economic arguments in opportunistic support of Brexit, when they've been shutting down Remainers' economic arguments as 'Project Fear' so steadfastly for the last 2 years? Well, I see the fun in it anyway  Frankly, it isn’t funny, it is pathetic and hypocritical and tedious and incredibly naive, but not funny. If Corbyn told him ‘good news! We are now going to change the way you get paid! For every pound you earned you will now get a whopping 95 penies!’ He would cheer it on.  Basic maths people, basic fact checking. If even that is too much then good luck to you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
ez8004 Â Â 10 #9776 Posted June 19, 2018 As long as the increased tax comes in the form of National Insurance. Then I am fine with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
melthebell   863 #9777 Posted June 19, 2018 Propaganda is aplenty on both sides  Apart from the one I mentioned I'd NOW, from the leave side, and very significant Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
alchresearch   214 #9778 Posted June 19, 2018 Really? Immigration, yes. Sovereignty, yes. Dislike of foreigners, yes. Replacing kilos with pounds, yes. Straight bananas, yes.  I don't recall anyone who voted leave having any concern for the NHS whatsoever.  I'm sure plenty were fooled and swayed by the £350 million a week bus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Longcol   602 #9779 Posted June 19, 2018 I'm sure plenty were fooled and swayed by the £350 million a week bus.  I'm pretty sure that some members of HMG feel exactly the same otherwhise why attempt to to pass off the increase to the NHS as a "brexit dividend"? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
RJRB Â Â 688 #9780 Posted June 19, 2018 Forget about Brexit dividend.There will be no such thing. On the credit side there will be some medium to long term reduction in costs paid into the EU,which will be more than offset by our withdrawal costs and future commitments. I welcome the support of the NHS but it will be paid for by taxation and reduced funding in other services. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...