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08-01-2015, 09:56   #1
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Old Town Hall Campaign (BBC)

An excellent initiative in my humble opinion, buildings like this deserve a better faith. The eternal issue is that a building like this, due to its listed status, is difficult to make economically viable - what would people like to see happen with it?

In my, again humble, opinion, the developer should be allowed to just leave the external shell and be allowed to build high quality apartments inside, that should fit with the proposed development of the Castle Square area - perhaps with some high quality restaurant/bar on the ground floor?

The issue is with its location, Waingate is a bus only route, so parking is a big issue, perhaps the council can come up with a scheme to allow destination traffic only?

For an idea of what state it has been allowed to fall into: Urbex
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08-01-2015, 10:24   #2
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There are plenty of flats with zero parking in the city centre aren't there??
and businesses as well I'd imagine - so I can't see it being a major issue.

I agree, the building itself deserves to stay.
It's not like the brutalist concrete monstrosities that plague the city.
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08-01-2015, 10:51   #3
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Funny, I'd just been reading this thread then this link popped up on my Facebook wall: https://friendsofothsheffield.wordpr...ial-statement/
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08-01-2015, 11:13   #4
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We would have been better served by saving the whole area inc the Markets.
An area that has been used for meeting and trading for a thousand years now destroyed by stone sniffers.
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08-01-2015, 11:19   #5
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We would have been better served by saving the whole area inc the Markets.
An area that has been used for meeting and trading for a thousand years now destroyed by stone sniffers.
The castle market building is a massive disgusting heap of concrete, it wasn't very well build in the first place so needs alot of work.

Utter waste of money attempting to save that building, knock it flat before any other idiots get ideas about using it.
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08-01-2015, 11:26   #6
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It's criminal that a beautiful building like this is just left to decay. It would make an excellent visitors centre or vintage shopping centre. I personally wouldn't like to see it turned into flats, but if that was the only option would rather that happen than see it destroyed. Too many beautiful buildings in Sheffield have been demolished.

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Funny, I'd just been reading this thread then this link popped up on my Facebook wall: https://friendsofothsheffield.wordpr...ial-statement/
Interesting film MrsMozzy thank you for sharing
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08-01-2015, 11:43   #7
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I always thought this was the old law courts building. I didn't realise it was the town hall.
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We value your ideas. If this building is to be saved it has to have a viable future. It will be a big job. Take a lot of time and money. However we already have had a lot of media interest and encouragement form English Heritage. We think it is worth giving it a go. Several suggestions have been put as a Museum and restaurant, performance and rehearsal rooms, offices or back pack hostel in 1950s wing. There will be professional appraisal of Building soon from a expert in the field. If you'd like to join on the supporters list get in touch and I will put you on the mailing list. We hope to have a major event in March for supporters and members of the public.
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08-01-2015, 12:43   #9
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I would expect offices would be the most logical use of the building considering the plans for the rest of the area are for exactly that. If the current owners are just going to sit on the asset then the council should arrange for a compulsory purchase and redevelopment inline with what's happening in the rest of the area, same goes for Castle House.

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I always thought this was the old law courts building. I didn't realise it was the town hall.
After the town hall moved it became the law courts, after the law courts moved the building appears to have been sold off. It's scandalous that a listed building was treated so shabbily by a government organisation, when a listed building is sold off it should be done so with an expressed purpose.
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08-01-2015, 13:34   #10
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About time someone tried to save this building!! Its disgraceful its been allowed to sit and fall into this state for so long. Seems like this is what happens now, some company will buy a building, leave it until its too far gone (as it usually costs a lot to restore) , tear it down then develop the land like ''oops sorry guys didn't mean for it to fall down''.
I hope it isn't turned into yet more boring tiny flats and i also hope as much of the interior can be saved as possible. such a shame to see craftsmanship of that quality be torn out and replaced with bland square boxes. which seems to be what has happened to the majority of old buildings in Sheffield, just a facade n then you walk inside and everything that made the building special is gone. Kinda like a movie set where it looks like a building but is really just an outside wall.
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08-01-2015, 13:42   #11
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We value your ideas. If this building is to be saved it has to have a viable future. It will be a big job. Take a lot of time and money. However we already have had a lot of media interest and encouragement form English Heritage. We think it is worth giving it a go. Several suggestions have been put as a Museum and restaurant, performance and rehearsal rooms, offices or back pack hostel in 1950s wing. There will be professional appraisal of Building soon from a expert in the field. If you'd like to join on the supporters list get in touch and I will put you on the mailing list. We hope to have a major event in March for supporters and members of the public.
I assume you are involved Duckweed, just wanted to say thank you for your efforts. Joining the FB page.
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how can we get involved? id be quite interested.
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08-01-2015, 14:31   #13
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Ultimately I don't think it matters what use this buiing is put to, as long as it's a good one and the structure and facade that matters is sympathetically restored. It's about time lot's of these nice old buildings around town, like the old Post Office, were given some love. They may even attract some visitors to the city.
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08-01-2015, 16:35   #14
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It's criminal that a beautiful building like this is just left to decay. It would make an excellent visitors centre or vintage shopping centre. I personally wouldn't like to see it turned into flats, but if that was the only option would rather that happen than see it destroyed. Too many beautiful buildings in Sheffield have been demolished.

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Interesting film MrsMozzy thank you for sharing
I agree, but I think at least part of it should be a museum. I know I for one would like to have a look around it.
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08-01-2015, 16:42   #15
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I agree, but I think at least part of it should be a museum. I know I for one would like to have a look around it.
A museum would be fantastic, especially if the original courtrooms could be restored.
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how can we get involved? id be quite interested.
You can help in a number of ways. Firstly just by being a named supporter. Secondly by becoming a Friend and helping with events, putting out publicity, and helping fundraise or even be a committee member. We are a very small group though getting considerably bigger by the minute.

We also welcome ideas on the use of the building as I think it is good to get as many ideas as possible on this.

As it stands it is complicated. The Council cannot legally just compulsory purchase they have to serve a notice on the owners to make repairs. The owner could at that point offer to sell to the Council. If the owner wants to be awkward they can ignore the notice. The Council can then move in and make repairs and send them the bill. This is likely to be a pretty big bill. If they do not pay it within a certain time the Council then has the right to compulsory purchase.

Re making offices apartments etc there are some problems there in that the court furniture is listed too so any scheme will mean the developer will have to work round this. However there are experts who have dealt with similar big projects. We are not closing doors on any solution that would protect the building. It is complex and probably why most wise developers wouldn't touch it with a bargepole and why present developer has got themselves stuck. I think that they were hoping the Castlegate Development would have been further along by now and that the value of the building would go up and then they could sell. I doubt this would ever have given them much of a profit Sheffield property prices are not like London and the amount of work it would need to be done to turn it into apartments would only work if you could afford to not make a profit for a while.
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08-01-2015, 19:22   #17
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If we are so keen to attract visitors to the city via pulling the market down and making an inner city park then surely the Ken Hawley tool collection could be housed in this building to show these people the skills that made Sheffield a great powerhouse of the country.Just an idea.
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I like that idea.
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We would have been better served by saving the whole area inc the Markets.
An area that has been used for meeting and trading for a thousand years now destroyed by stone sniffers.
The old markets were a magnet for druggies and wino`s who used it as a hangout whilst waiting for that cesspit of a pub The Cannon to open for the day .

The sooner the whole market building is demolished , the better.
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08-01-2015, 21:06   #20
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It's criminal that a beautiful building like this is just left to decay. It would make an excellent visitors centre or vintage shopping centre. I personally wouldn't like to see it turned into flats, but if that was the only option would rather that happen than see it destroyed. Too many beautiful buildings in Sheffield have been demolished.

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Interesting film MrsMozzy thank you for sharing
i walk past his twice a day and have always thought it a crying shame to be left in it's current state. if you restore it and sand blast away the grime from the exterior it was look magnificent and brighten up the drab area.

i also agree that it would be a travesty to turn this into flats or appartments etc, god knows there are enough of them in the city centre. A visitors center all about the local history and heritage and what the area has to offer would be a fantastic idea bringing in people and revenues streams to the city.
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