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The end of the Labour party

Where will Labour be a year from now?  

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  1. 1. Where will Labour be a year from now?

    • Intact with Jeremy Corbyn in charge
      57
    • Intact with somebody else in charge
      20
    • Split with Corbyn running the remains of Labour
      32
    • Split with Corbyn running a break-away party
      9
    • The matter will still be unresolved
      21
    • The whole party will collapse
      26
    • Something I haven't thought of
      6


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Generally yes, Clegg was much more mainstream. Corbyn is however popular with a large number of Sheffield University students (not that that matters a jot for his fortunes).

 

Clegg appealed to moderates. People who had no strong party affiliation but wanted change. It's not a new story in politics.

Corbyn on the other hand makes people who always support Labour support it with a great deal more enthusiasm. Some as we've seen are so enthused that they become quite excessively angry at his opponents. That may help a little in terms of turnout where one is already very strong, but it turns off moderates in massive numbers.

 

There are of course some who become emphatically enthralled with one politician and then quickly move on to another as if nothing happened.

 

I am in total agreement

 

Clegg is getting my vote in a couple of weeks :nod:

 

Indeed

 

He's a really decent guy - who wants the best for community as a whole.

 

Not just the tiny little myopic of 'Me and mine', currently so prevalent in our capitalist ridden world

 

I like him :)

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Blair and his cronies finished us off .

Now the anti antisemitism in the party has raised its ugly head.

 

Is that a typo, or do you mean the 'anti antisemitism'?

It was indeed correct. Labour used to be anti-semitic [= against discrimination aimed at Jews]; that seems no longer to be the case.

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It was indeed correct. Labour used to be anti-semitic [= against discrimination aimed at Jews]; that seems no longer to be the case.

 

No-one believes your attempts at libel Jeff

 

Jeremy Corbyn, Leader of The Labour Party

 

Cares more and does more for humanity

 

Than you will EVER do :)

 

---------- Post added 30-08-2016 at 17:34 ----------

 

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You'll find that accuracy largely negates accusations of defamation.

Of late, extreme left-wing entryists bringing their own agendas have caused an unpleasant tilt in the traditional Labour Party's axis. That last word was deliberately used.

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You'll find that accuracy largely negates accusations of defamation

 

Being a critic of Israeli policy in Palestine

 

Does not make ANYONE anti-semitic

 

Desperate and sad attempts to mud-sling

 

A decent man :mad:

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It was indeed correct. Labour used to be anti-semitic [= against discrimination aimed at Jews]; that seems no longer to be the case.

 

Ah yes sorry my mistake. I got confused by the double negative and thought it meant the opposite for some reason.

 

You're right, the anti antisemetic lot are now coming out of the woodwork. A sad state of affairs (despite what some deluded people might claim).

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A decent man

Even if so, he might now prove to be the last leader that the Labour Party ever has. Does that not give you cause for concern?

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Being followed about it would seem :suspect:

 

I'll take it as a compliment :hihi:

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Being followed about it would seem

 

I'll take it as a compliment

I don't understand; please explain what you mean.

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It was indeed correct. Labour used to be anti-semitic [= against discrimination aimed at Jews]; that seems no longer to be the case.

 

I'm confused. Anti-semitism = hostility or prejudice against Jews

Anti-anti-semitism = against discrimination aimed at Jews.

 

So you would complain about the anti-anti-semites if you were prejudiced against Jews. Labour have always harboured borderline or actual anti-semites.

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Being a critic of Israeli policy in Palestine

 

Does not make ANYONE anti-semitic

 

Desperate and sad attempts to mud-sling

 

A decent man :mad:

 

Genuine question. Is it the device you're using that is making you

 

post

 

like

 

this

 

?

 

:)

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Having recently been compelled by circumstances which I won't go into, to spend exactly 3 days thinking about my dislike of Jeremy Corbyn, I still don't like him.

First time in coming up on 3 years as a Forum member, that I have found it necessary to spend 3 days in silent contemplation.

 

I have however developed a dislike of Owen Smith which is comparable in its intensity. I've come to believe that he is somebody who doesn't believe in democracy.

He's in the process of trying to remove a democratically elected leader from the Labour party. Much as I would like the democratically elected leader of the Labour party removed, it's a rather undemocratic thing to happen.

In a similar vain, he's wants to overturn the democratic will of the people by ignoring the EU referendum result.

Add to that, based on his record he in no way believes in the bulk of the policy which he now stands on, and you get a pretty good overview of the man.

 

Then we come back to Mr Corbyn. Now that he's "lost" the Brexit vote (by this I mean I suspect that he got the result he secretly wanted, not that he was responsible for the result); I think he believes the bulk of what he says.

Not the "kinder gentler politics" rubbish. I don't think he believes that. He's clearly to my mind not kinder or gentler, and if anything I think he's less honest, than any other mainstream politician. But I think he does believe in the policy platform on which he stands. This is a good thing, even though I personally could not agree with him less.

 

I remain, above all, extremely concerned by the threat to political discourse, democracy, liberty and all the things which we (across the political spectrum) hold most dear; posed by the fact that there is an extremely nasty group of Corbyn supporters on the loose who are using extreme tactics to intimidate Mr Corbyn's opponents into submission rather than using reason and proper process to achieve their goals. This group, I'm sure, is a small minority of Corbyn supporters, but they are not small enough in number to ignore.

There is no evidence that this nasty group are in any way linked to Mr Corbyn or his team, therefore I do not suggest that he is in any way in command of these extremely bad people. But he has been unable by words or actions to stop them, or even slow them down. That's pretty scary. They proclaim devotion to him, but they carry on despite his instruction not to. They must on some level believe that they are serving him, so it must be possible for him to find the words to get them to stop.

I would encourage Mr Corbyn to redouble his efforts on this matter as a matter of the utmost urgency. I make no apology for making my own inferences, which I shall not voice here, as to why a man in Mr Corbyn's position might have chosen not to do so already.

 

As I find both prospective leaders of the Labour party unacceptable, even as leader of the opposition, it is my sincere hope, that the Labour party is destroyed by the election process. I shall miss it, as it was useful to have the voices of the public sector unions so forcefully put in parliament. It would be a great shame to see this 100 year old institution, with a great deal to be proud of from its history destroyed. However, given the 2 leadership options on the table it is clear that the end of the party is the least worst option.

 

How did Mr Corbyn lose the Brexit vote if, in your view, he got the result he secretly wanted?

According to polling almost twice as many Labour voters picked Remain over Leave. The only party to have most of its supporters oppose its leader’s view was the Conservatives. Not that that would lead you to the conclusion that that meant it was the end of the Conservative Party.

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