Phanerothyme   12 #13 Posted September 14, 2018 Tax the churches.  "Fed the starving and housed the poor Showed the Vatican what gold's for" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Annie Bynnol   612 #14 Posted September 14, 2018 (edited) The Catholic church is very different to Cof E in some respects: the fact that priests can't marry and have to remain celibate, that they are held in such high regard particularly by poor parishioners to the point where they can (and do) get away with things like child abuse. I don't think it's particularly relevent or helpful to compare the two.  We are simply talking about an important and respected man who has had something very important to say about the plight of the poor in this country. I don't think it is political in that he is trying to take sides, he's just speaking out about the inequality and injustice that's under our nose.  If it was a situation in another country that he was talking about, we would'nt see him as some meddling Leftie, but as a concerned humanitarian.  The institution called Government has milked the population dry for a thousand years in every which way it can, building itself great halls and palaces. Existing through providing favour to a minority and demanding allegiance from the majority.  The institution called Monarchy has milked the population dry for a thousand years in every which way it can, building itself great halls and palaces. Existing through providing favour to a minority and demanding allegiance from the majority.  The institution called State Religion has milked the population dry for a thousand years in every which way it can, building itself great halls and palaces. Existing through providing favour to a minority and demanding allegiance from the majority.  Humanitarian? My Church is less evil than yours? Massive financial estate worth billions justified by the provision of food banks? Edited September 14, 2018 by Annie Bynnol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
I1L2T3   10 #15 Posted September 14, 2018 That’s a bingo!!!  Attacking organised religion is one of the pillars of fascism.  After supporting Orban this week the Tories are doing their best to out-Fascist the Tories of last week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
alchresearch   214 #16 Posted September 14, 2018 Oh dear, the hypocrite is caught out.  Justin Welby criticised over Church of England's Amazon investment and zero-hour contracts https://news.sky.com/story/justin-welby-criticised-over-church-of-england-amazon-investment-and-zero-hour-contracts-11497125  In a speech to the TUC Congress in Manchester earlier this week, Justin Welby criticised firms like Amazon for paying "almost nothing" in taxes, and branded the so-called gig economy and zero-hours contracts as "the reincarnation of an ancient evil". However, the Church has now confirmed the online retail giant is one of its 20 biggest investments worldwide and at least two of its cathedrals are advertising zero-hours contract jobs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Albert smith   11 #17 Posted September 14, 2018 The Catholic church is very different to Cof E in some respects: the fact that priests can't marry and have to remain celibate, that they are held in such high regard particularly by poor parishioners to the point where they can (and do) get away with things like child abuse. I don't think it's particularly relevent or helpful to compare the two.  We are simply talking about an important and respected man who has had something very important to say about the plight of the poor in this country. I don't think it is political in that he is trying to take sides, he's just speaking out about the inequality and injustice that's under our nose.  If it was a situation in another country that he was talking about, we would'nt see him as some meddling Leftie, but as a concerned humanitarian. Wrist slapped  ---------- Post added 14-09-2018 at 08:52 ----------  That’s a bingo!!! Attacking organised religion is one of the pillars of fascism.  After supporting Orban this week the Tories are doing their best to out-Fascist the Tories of last week. The fascists in Spain ,Germany and other European Country's thrived under the umbrella of the Church ,Russia today is going the same way . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
SnailyBoy   10 #18 Posted September 14, 2018 https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/archbishop-canterbury-justin-welby-blasts-13235450.amp So the Archbishop slammed the likes of Amazon for their tax avoidance. Now I'm the first to say yes they should pay but to be lambasted by a senior member of an organisation that's pays ZERO tax is utterly ridiculous.  Yes the HMRC should close the loopholes but it should include making religious organisations pay too.  The CoE are keeping their Amazon shares. I guess they don't want to hit those profits.  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45516830 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Lockdoctor   10 #19 Posted September 14, 2018 The Church of England are smart investors. They got rid of their Wonga shares at the right time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
alchresearch   214 #20 Posted September 14, 2018 The Church of England are smart investors. They got rid of their Wonga shares at the right time.  He's got a very short memory!  Bitterly attacking poverty levels in the UK, Mr Welby also told the TUC: "Five years ago, I said to the chief executive of Wonga that I wanted credit unions to compete him out of business.  25th July: War on Wonga: We're putting you out of business, Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby tells payday loans company  26th July: Wonga row: Archbishop of Canterbury 'embarrassed' over Church funds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Baron99 Â Â 795 #21 Posted September 14, 2018 I like Welby's defence of one minute condemning Amazon then defending the fact that the CoE are one of their major UK shareholders by saying that the CoE can work to change Amazon's culture from the inside BY being a shareholder. Â Reminds me of the Labour class warriors such as Blunkett, Caborn & Prescott, to name but a few who now reside in the House of Lords. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Albert smith   11 #22 Posted September 14, 2018 I like Welby's defence of one minute condemning Amazon then defending the fact that the CoE are one of their major UK shareholders by saying that the CoE can work to change Amazon's culture from the inside BY being a shareholder. Reminds me of the Labour class warriors such as Blunkett, Caborn & Prescott, to name but a few who now reside in the House of Lords. The biggest jump on the bandwagon trio in Sheffields socialist history. When will the next photo appear in the local press of those working class warriors posing at the latest freebie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
iansheff   88 #23 Posted September 14, 2018 Apparently the church has shares in Amazon according to the BBC news just now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Anna B Â Â 1,414 #24 Posted September 14, 2018 Many people have share portfolios whithout a clue what they've invested, often via mixed investment funds. I doubt the Archbishop of Canterbury, sits down and picks them out himself, I'm sure he has accountants to do that. Nevertheless it's an embarrassing oversight. Â But once again people are in danger of shooting the messenger rather than listening to the message. Here is a man fighting the corner of ordinary people like you and me. We should support him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...