Collective stupidity

Just a footnote to this discussion.

Murray Bookchin put forward the notion of abandoning industrial society altogether in favour of a more ecological- villiage green democracy- based society. A move away from cities and the establishment of sustainable village communities, as a means of curtailing the ecological destruction caused by industrial society; and the only hope for the survival of the human species.

In his writings, he put forward a vision of a decentralized, humane, cooperative ecological society. He was a genuine original, a prescient thinker. He worked out solutions to problems before most people realized they existed. His vision has become more relevant today.

http://climateandcapitalism.com/2014/06/08/early-warning-bookchin-global-warming/

Did he have a car, manufactured clothes, and processed food? Was he a user of health services?

Jeffrey Shaw,

Did he have a car, manufactured clothes, and processed food? Was he a user of health services?

What on earth does that have to do with Bookchin's propositions?

If you want to get to grips with Bookchin's ideas you'll have to read his stuff.

Do you think that deindustrialisation will be a retrograde step for humanity?

A certain degree of deindustrialisation has already happened, with a shift from manufacturing to a services based economy. In addition, maintaining the infrastructure of metropolises costs trillions. Maybe we cannot afford to live like that anymore. Back to the village and an agrarian based economy; driven by sustainability.

Lewis Mumford had some splendid ideas on how we might live other than in Cities.

Definition :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrialisation

What on earth does that have to do with Bookchin's propositions?

That he wants the benefits of them but not the attendant costs.

Just a footnote to this discussion.

 

Murray Bookchin put forward the notion of abandoning industrial society altogether in favour of a more ecological- villiage green democracy- based society. A move away from cities and the establishment of sustainable village communities, as a means of curtailing the ecological destruction caused by industrial society; and the only hope for the survival of the human species.

 

In his writings, he put forward a vision of a decentralized, humane, cooperative ecological society. He was a genuine original, a prescient thinker. He worked out solutions to problems before most people realized they existed. His vision has become more relevant today.

 

 

http://climateandcapitalism.com/2014/06/08/early-warning-bookchin-global-warming/

Might work for a small population but can't see it being viable with the amount of folk here today...mind you,if we get rid of pharma then that problem will probably go away...

Truman,

Can you please explain,"mind you,if we get rid of Pharma ". I'm not sure what it means.

Bookchin-and others like him are advocates of a brand of "Eco- Communitarianism, as a way forward for humanity. Of course, such politics would have to deal with population growth-now that is unsolvable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism

Truman,

 

Can you please explain,"mind you,if we get rid of Pharma ". I'm not sure what it means.

 

Bookchin-and others like him are advocates of a brand of "Eco- Communitarianism, as a way forward for humanity. Of course, such politics would have to deal with population growth-now that is unsolvable.

 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism

The guy seems to be against industrial expansion etc..pharmacutical companies are a large part of that...if they go then the population will be reduced..

Truman,

 

Can you please explain,"mind you,if we get rid of Pharma ". I'm not sure what it means.

 

Bookchin-and others like him are advocates of a brand of "Eco- Communitarianism, as a way forward for humanity. Of course, such politics would have to deal with population growth-now that is unsolvable.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communitarianism

Population growth is not unsolvable, all it takes is for 2 people to have 2 children for it to remain steady. The Chinese limited it to 1 child per couple, to halve the population, however it did cause problems.

The number of children per couple is actually falling in the UK.

As populations become richer and more stable, they tend to have fewer babies.

Its not a problem, technology is moving along at a terrific pace...in ,say, 50yrs we will have colonised the moon, maybe Mars, in 1000yrs we will have expanded to other places in the universe....

What a spectacularly naive point of view.

What a spectacularly naive point of view.

Maybe so, but don"t think we are destined to live on this planet for ever, resources are running out rapidly, we have colonise other planets to survive.

Was"nt that Stephen Hawkins view.

Anna B,

 

Fastest growing populations

Countries With the Fastest Growing Populations

Rank Country Population Growth Rate (%)

1 Oman 8.45

2 Lebanon 5.99

3 Kuwait 4.81

4 Qatar 4.72

How are these populations going to be persuaded?

Anna B,

 

 

 

 

How are these populations going to be persuaded?

Education, equality, stability, and easy access to health care and cntraception.

Failing that, do what the Chinese did, and legislate.