the_bloke   17 #49 Posted August 28, 2017 So they are found fit for work, their claim ends because they are not capable of looking hard enough for work and then they die. However way you look at that, it is not good.  You aren't reading the fullfact.org link properly.  The figures given include people that were claiming and then died whilst claiming, which ends their claim. The link rightfully points out that:  'Unfortunately, the DWP has not published an age-standardised mortality rate for those found "fit for work". They may not be able to do so; publishing a mortality rate for people who were found fit for work would require information about people no longer claiming benefits who died during the time period in question.'  So the DWP doesn't keep track of people who died after being found fit to work, exactly for that reason; being found fit to work means you no longer count as a claimant so you no longer exist on the system. The DWP can only give figures for people who were claiming at the point they died, which obviously wouldn't be people who were told they were fit for work..  The figures are a nonsense and you've all been suckered in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Anna B   1,408 #50 Posted August 28, 2017 You aren't reading the fullfact.org link properly. The figures given include people that were claiming and then died whilst claiming, which ends their claim. The link rightfully points out that:  'Unfortunately, the DWP has not published an age-standardised mortality rate for those found "fit for work". They may not be able to do so; publishing a mortality rate for people who were found fit for work would require information about people no longer claiming benefits who died during the time period in question.'  So the DWP doesn't keep track of people who died after being found fit to work, exactly for that reason; being found fit to work means you no longer count as a claimant so you no longer exist on the system. The DWP can only give figures for people who were claiming at the point they died, which obviously wouldn't be people who were told they were fit for work..  The figures are a nonsense and you've all been suckered in. The report was suppressed, so nobody much got to hear the figures anyway, much less the comments.  Just like the recent UN report which accuses the current government of 'serious violations of disabled people's rights, and legislation which has caused a human catastophe' has similarly not garnered much publicity and has been ignored. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
dutch   68 #51 Posted August 28, 2017 Take a step back and look again. The real mentally ill are the tories who tell real disabled people to work under ridiculous circumstances. If someone takes so much medication to bring physical problems under control but now the intense medication makes them drowsy, tired, low energy a crazy insane tory will come and say, oh you can work fine now back to work now. They have no respect for disabled people. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Itrytoplease   10 #52 Posted August 30, 2017 (edited) DWP spends £39m defending decisions to strip benefits from sick and disabled people. The costs that have been exposed so far only refer to those incurred by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) and do not include money spent by the Courts and Tribunals Service, which carry out the appeals.  Atos & Capita given £578m so far for assessing people for PIP since it launched in 2013  The Government spent £1,166,459 trying to take benefits from ESA claimants between January and March 2016, and £2,069,849 in the same period this year – a 77 per cent rise.  Full story HERE........   http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dwp-disabled-people-benefits-legal-action-lose-government-work-pensions-department-frank-field-mp-a7886166.html Edited August 30, 2017 by Itrytoplease Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
dutch   68 #53 Posted August 30, 2017 Woman has 30 epileptic seizures per month and told she is not disabled. When I tell this to friends and family abroad they laugh and say that only happens in cloud cuckoo land. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Hairyloon   10 #54 Posted August 30, 2017 I am becoming increasingly of the opinion that we should stop moaning about the so called "war on the disabled" and accept that it is actually a war on the disabled: there are internationally agreed rules for war.  Once we accept that, we can ask for a cease fire, and maybe the UN can broker a peace treaty... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
focemal   10 #55 Posted August 31, 2017 The vulnerable are being penalised for the actions of the venal. The weak are easier to pick on than the strong. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...