leviathan13 Â Â 332 #313 Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) Are you being obtuse on purpose? What if there were only two races? Â What are the only 2 races? Â Put it this way... if a white person listens to 'black' music and then claims to be black, are they black? Edited September 13, 2017 by leviathan13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Jacko92 Â Â 10 #314 Posted September 13, 2017 What are the only 2 races? Â What does the word "if" mean? It was an analogy and you haven't grasped it. Â I give up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
leviathan13   332 #315 Posted September 13, 2017 What does the word "if" mean? It was an analogy and you haven't grasped it. I give up.  That was my point - you're being hypothetical; you know there are more than two races so the mixing of genes can be more varied than the mixing of chromosomes. Your point falls down instantly because you're trying to use the same rules for two different arguments. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Jacko92 Â Â 10 #316 Posted September 13, 2017 That was my point - you're being hypothetical; you know there are more than two races so the mixing of genes can be more varied than the mixing of chromosomes. Your point falls down instantly because you're trying to use the same rules for two different arguments. Â I didn't claim it was a perfect analogy. Â Why do you care so much? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
area 51   10 #317 Posted September 13, 2017 I've said before that unisex loos are the way to go. The logic behind separated mens and womens toilets was due to an assumed sexual attraction between men and women and that might be uncomfortable for some people, fine. But how does that work in gay clubs? Are gay men uncomfortable peeing next to a guy they might fancy? Are lesbians worried that the girl they've been chatting up all night might hear them pee? It's a bit daft when you think about it. I've been to several gay clubs where they have unisex toilets and no-one even bats an eyelid about it. However in favour of a third gender neutral toilet would mean I could use it with the same level of guilt when I nip to the disabled if there's a massive queue for the ladies. Win all round I say  I was down in the south last week and the toilet block in the town centre had one mens urinal block and the rest of the cubicles were unisex.It saved everybody waiting for the gents or ladies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
leviathan13 Â Â 332 #318 Posted September 13, 2017 I didn't claim it was a perfect analogy. Â Why do you care so much? Â Because it's something i've read and watched a lot about and i've found to be interesting. I may not agree and i may be very sceptical about gender fluidity, but it's a topic i enjoy debating. Â Many people having their own opinions on the subject means that it creates a healthy discussion that i've enjoyed being part of. Â Why do you care? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Jacko92   10 #319 Posted September 13, 2017 Because it's something i've read and watched a lot about and i've found to be interesting. I may not agree and i may be very sceptical about gender fluidity, but it's a topic i enjoy debating. Many people having their own opinions on the subject means that it creates a healthy discussion that i've enjoyed being part of.  Why do you care?  About people who neither identify as men or women? I don't. Life is too short. Crack on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
leviathan13 Â Â 332 #320 Posted September 13, 2017 About people who neither identify as men or women? I don't. Life is too short. Crack on. Â So what should i be talking about? Â That is an argument you could apply to any debate... so what's the point of talking and why have you joined a public forum if life is too short to talk about anything? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Jacko92   10 #321 Posted September 13, 2017 (edited) So what should i be talking about? That is an argument you could apply to any debate... so what's the point of talking and why have you joined a public forum if life is too short to talk about anything?  Yeah, that's why I didn't say life is too short to talk about anything. Life is too short for me to be troubled by this particular thing.  You asked if gender is like a spectrum. I provided an analogy. Saying Barack Obama is white makes just as much sense as saying he is black. Both are wrong.  If someone neither identifies as male or female then yes, I guess they sit on a spectrum between the two. Intersex or intergender seems a reasonable term to me.  I have no issue with unisex toilets. I've used loads in Europe. They weren't labelled as unisex toilets though. They were labelled as the "Toilet." Edited September 13, 2017 by Jacko92 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
leviathan13   332 #322 Posted September 13, 2017 Yeah, that's why I didn't say life is too short to talk about anything. Life is too short for me to be troubled by this particular thing. You asked if gender is like a spectrum. I provided an analogy. Saying Barack Obama is white makes just as much sense as saying he is black. Both are wrong.  If someone neither identifies as male or female then yes, I guess they sit on a spectrum between the two. Intersex or intergender seems a reasonable term to me.  I have no issue with unisex toilets. I've used loads in Europe. They weren't labelled as unisex toilets though. They were labelled as the "Toilet."  So everything is a social construct, despite what the eyes see and ears hear? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
hackey lad   3,827 #323 Posted September 13, 2017 What does the word "if" mean? It was an analogy and you haven't grasped it. I give up.  You really like to use the word "if" in all your posts don't you . Its like an escape clause for you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...
Jacko92   10 #324 Posted September 13, 2017 So everything is a social construct, despite what the eyes see and ears hear?  I have no problem with someone who neither identifies as male or female.  ---------- Post added 13-09-2017 at 22:46 ----------  You really like to use the word "if" in all your posts don't you . Its like an escape clause for you  If you say so. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Share this content via...