Mick Sage

As I have said previously, its not so much about dogs its about parents keeping their children safe. Perhaps they ought to be licensed!

Lets hope two tragic deaths in such a short time has a positive effect on parents who own, or who are thinking of owning, powerful large dogs ,and the care they take in keeping children safe.

Ok more free edification > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbLDI5lNdRQ‎

not a child of the sixties then?

Perhaps your boyfriend should do risk assessments:hihi:

In this case it will be what a reasonably careful parent would have done, but the judge will decide what a reasonable careful parent would have done.

Lady bower and Howden reservoirs , especially impressive when the reservoir is overflowing. Rivelin valley through the parks to the old rivelin post office.

Yes and ok then that's your decision as a parent who was willing to take the consequences of that decision.

Not me chuck a Judge!

On your first point I assume you observed this behaviour or how would you know it happened thus your child was not alone with the dog thus both the child and the dog may have reacted differently if your imposing presence was not around. A spud gun uk version is pretty harmless but as it fires a projectile at close quarters it could damage the eye. The American version is a little larger thus the risk factor increases a bit like small and large dogs.

Sorry to take so long to reply the dog wanted a walk. Concentrating on the dog and its breed and its training is totally irrelevant to the risk of a child becoming harmed by it. It may actually be the child's interactions with the dog that sparks the fury. Like the spud gun you think is over egged at moderate risk though it could blind a child if the child shot himself in the eye with it. So with a well trained never hurt a fly dog being battered with a toy train set, bit in the genitals or having a bottle stuffed up its jacks , it may well react differently. In law there is something called a reasonable parent test. The only question in this case is would a reasonable parent allow their three year old child to be left alone with a large strong toothed carnivorous animal. (Anyone quoting Mr and Mrs Darling is in the land of the fairies!)

This whole debate started with a child been ripped up by a dog and you really think the issue is about bringing up a dog responsibly?

No but more importantly I am a careful parent

Is it about the responsibilities of owning a dog or the responsibilities of protecting a child?

I would let a three year old child play with a water pistol. risk minimal I would let a five year old play with a ping pong ball gun. risk small I might let a 12 year old play with a spud gun. risk medium I might let a trained adult use an air rifle risk. medium/high I wouldn't like anyone to use a bullet firing gun but realise some adults do. Risk very High Now if I can risk assess guns in regard to potential outcomes I think on the amount of evidence around on dogs and breeds and required qualities of owners, I could in regard to potential outcomes risk access what may happen if I put a dog and a human together to play. Couldn't you? And are you prepared for the consequences if you don't.

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/content.php?r=604-How-much-financial-support-can-I-get and you are right I only counted one job I have 46 years contributions and just got mine! ---------- Post added 09-02-2014 at 22:45 ---------- Me happy too though I don't get the old age pension for another 3 years was lucky enough to get the bus pass last week. Still paying taxes.

Sorry mate I thought working and paying national insurance for 38 years got me my old age pension. (The minimum wage is in return for hours worked, a person on minimum wage who is single and working full time is unlikely to receive any benefit. ) Yes mate I know I worked from being 16 full time and didn't get any benefits during those 38 years. No mate most pensioners can't get a student maintainance allowance cus they get a pension and in the majority of cases couldn't get it anyhow cus they don't live with their parents!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rant:

try Sheffield archives they have records and access to ancestory.com you may have to book a session but they are very helpful.

See first my new shiny bus pass is hijacked and reduced in benefit then my very positive thread on the benefits of free travel for my future health thread is hijacked. I aint paranoid its just that every bodies out to get me!:hihi::hihi::hihi:

Students don't have to pay £9000 tuition they choose to be students to improve their future lives if they don't succeed they pay nothing! You quote two of the richest and say you will not claim benefit's if you have such wealth but the odds are far against you achieving such wealth and therefore you will scrabble for what you can get like the rest of us and no doubt whinge loudly when some politician decides that you will lose something that you thought was yours by right. Or is that something you're doing already ?:rolleyes:

https://www.gov.uk/student-finance/overview Part of the student loan.

oap pension is £110.15 minimum wage £6.31 per hour x 37 hours = £233.37 student maintainance allowance for living at home Up to £4,375 38 week year =£115 per week = there may be one or two holes in your proposition.