viney40
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Jobee, plekhanov, Get a grip.
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This is how it is.
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You are both as right as you are wrong. Neither of you are big enough to make a difference. Take a leaf out of cyclone’s book, and bow down to my words of wisdom.
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Live and let Live.
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Humans have never stuck to the basics of organised christianity.It was Christians that destroyed the American indian.
Both world wars were started by christian countries.
Thousands of christians serve in the Uk and US armies volunteering to kill.
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This would suggest that banning organised Christianity would make no difference to humanity?
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If so, why ban it?
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At first sight, this is logical. However, most mammals exhibit homosexual behaviour. If genes underlying homosexuality completely prevented their own transmission to the next generation, this behaviour would not be so widespread.Â
To explain this, group selection is commonly invoked. In this case, the key concept is that within a group of related individuals, a minority of homosexual members increase the reproductive fitness of the group as a whole. Although they do not procreate directly themselves, they therefore facilitate the propagation of genes conferring homosexual tendencies to the next generation.
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So, the gay's do all their gay stuff, then after a while, realise that it isn't going to amount to anything. They then go and do some hetro stuff with a hetro in order to spread their denims. The hetro's are by now up for it, as they have been through all the other hetro's, and fancy a change of scene.
Next think we know, new generation wearing gay denims.
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Think I've got it now.
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Dont forget to do the "pull my finger" gag first eh...... that should woo her.Â
I'm a very sensual lover, and don't like to ruin the element of surprise.
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So why did you say "No, simply a belief, not an act" in your previous post then if you weren't claiming I was suggesting that Jobee also performed idiotic acts?Â
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How so? Expressing the opinion that someone is an idiot with moronic beliefs as I have done, is a completely different 'boat' to suggesting that beliefs you don't like should be criminalised as Jobee has done.
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The only difference is your choice of narrative. Keep rowing.
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It may well become a capital offence in Uganda early next year with Nigeria close behind. People can't even promote or defend being gay. I think the West should make a stand and threaten to go to war if this bigot stupidity becomes law.Â
We get to hear about the (Muslim) Somali men using women as target practice but this at least as bad in my book and journalists say it is the christian nut jobs who are behind it:
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In Entebbe last week, 200 religious leaders, under the powerful umbrella group Inter-Religious Council of Uganda, demanded diplomatic ties be severed with "ungodly" donor countries, including the UK, Sweden and Canada, who are "bent on forcing homosexuality on Ugandans".Â
Does Uganda have any oil reserves?
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In case you weren't aware, most sexual activity in certain parts of Africa results in death, gay or otherwise.
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I have two daughters who are gay. These issues are important to me. I also don't like religion. Problem?Â
Unless they live in Africa, you've got nowt to worry about.
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;5731206']Maybe i should set this straight. Do you realise whewn i said 'violently if needed' the emphasis was on the word needed? That would mean as an absolute last resort?Â
Relax Matt, I know what you meant. Clue: Don't wind up in a keep net.
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If he doesn't then he's spectacularly poor at getting his point across.If he does then he's also spectacularly poor at expressing himself as he's been unable to say how he'd enforce it.
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If all he wanted to do was suggest that it'd be a good idea to sepetate state and church, then why not say that?
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Because as well as being a poet, he also enjoys fishing.
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;5731152']So its OK for me to stand by and let others deny the personal freedoms of the people that i care for?Â
Nahh! just get your fists out!
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No. The difference is that neither I nor Plekhanov, nor most other right thinking people would seek to prevent Jobee expressing his beliefs, however stupid and dangerous they might be.Â
He would seek to ban others from freely expressing their beliefs.
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Clue: You don't honestly believe that do you Halibut?
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;5731076']I should add to your post that i would also be dusgusted if a ban on religion would come into force and i would also fight such a ban with every bone in my body.... violently if needed despite the fact i'm an atheist. I value personal freedom above all else...Â
And would deny anyone else's personal freedom by the use of violence.
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Where did I say it was an act? I'm clearly talking about Jobee's moronic belief that his proposals wouldn't lead to unrest in the face of both theists and atheists (who he claims are on his side remember) telling him that they would resist his fascistic policies. I for one would resist his idiotic policies and I'm generally reckoned to be one of the more 'zealous' 'fundamentalist' atheists on here.Â
You didn't, and neither did I, "just a belief, not an act", remember?
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You are clearly saying that jobee's beliefs are moronic.
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Your beliefs are different to his, so you call him moronic and idiotic.
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You have managed to plant yourself firmly in his boat.
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I know what you mean. Its not nice though when the female of the household can outfart the male. I have the male reputation to think of:hihi:Â
Too right my man, If we show weakness other women will soon get wind of it!
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Next thing we know, we'll be washing pots and stuff while the women folk sit on the sofa watching darts and ripping some right ones out!
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No it's actually more naive and foolish that the beliefs of many British christians as the effects of him getting his way would be much more disastrous than them getting theirs.Â
Furthermore whilst most moderately sophisticated British Xians are carefull enough to make their beliefs effectively untestable like more primitive theists Jobee has made a hard easily testable claim - that criminalising religion wouldn't lead to unrest. We only need to look at what's happened in societies where similar things have been tried to see that it does leed to unrest. Jobee is on the same level of idiocy as someone who claiming that greek gods live on top of mount Olympus in a big palace.
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No, simply a belief, not an act.
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That's a pretty lame answer if you're expecting anyone to take you seriously.How would you enforce the law?
What would be the penalty for disobeying the law?
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How would you enforce the law, name calling?
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You have managed to put yourself on the same level as jobee by disrespecting other peoples beliefs.
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A naive and foolish one.Â
No more naive or foolish than any religious belief, simply a belief.
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How would you describe the belief that one could ban religion without there being massive unrest and civil disobedience?Â
I would describe it as a belief!
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Do you not agree that someone proposing banning the freedom to practise your faith is naive and stupid in thinking that there wouldn't be a huge popular protest and widespread civil disobedience if such a law were ever imposed?Â
It would make the poll tax protests look tame.
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I would agree, but without the name calling.
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Originally Posted by flamingjimmyYou seem to have misunderstood my post, only the first question was rhetorical.
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"How naive can you be?
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How on earth would you go about enforcing a ban on religion without using force?
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Also how would you deal with all the people like me who would take to the streets in angry protest?"
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I honestly think the best way for us to take this debate forward would be for you to answer the second two questions rather than making an unrelated point.
Yes, how would you deal with the many thousands who protest?
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How could you deal with mass civil disobedience without force?
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quote. Confirm by law that the bible is a work of fiction, which it is.
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Remove the 26 frocks/ pimps from the house of lords.
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Ignore the protesters.
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You would get no trouble from the Christian's, as they are not involved in religion, just faith. They are selfless according to Grahame and would simply fall into line.
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Cheers, its only day surgery, I suppose it means I get pampered over the holiday period though, that’s a good prezzie itself.Â
Good luck with the surgery Malky. Enjoy the pampering, but don't let them know that you are enjoying it. .
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Its my first one with my 10 month old son so i reckon he's a pretty perfect Christmas present for me, i can't waitÂ
Perfect. It doesn't get better than that. Merry Christmas Stockers.
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she has got these until she next sees the specialist, which could be a few months off yet. I shall just have to go out drinking more and return home with a curry each nightÂ
Needs must daftlad. Keep the romance alive, she'll thank you for it in the long run.
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Plus one of those Shakira vouchers.
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