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Agreed. Having a pot for this and pot for that isn't helpful either. There's plenty of money in the world, it's just not being distributed in accordance with priority. There'd be enough for everybody if nobody took too much, but they do, and that's why I firmly believe that poverty and famine can't be eradicated without compromising the wealthy, which leaves only two options for future generations- Either they leave things the way they are allowing both extremes to continue to coexist to accommodate the wealthy, or ensure that neither exists.

I never specifically blamed multiculturalism for society spiralling downwards, I merely included it amongst other examples of social conflicts that are taking place more and more frequently. But my all means correct me by providing the evidence to corroborate your assertion if you have it. Even apologise to me should you find it necessary.

No. I'm not going on hearsay, I'm going on statistical reports detailing rising crime. And I'm not going on local crime either, I'm going on national figures.

The majority of people are peaceful, but crime levels are rising nonetheless.

The number of friend I have wouldn't be relevant to what 'normal behaviour' is. I consider 'normal behaviour' to be the most common behaviour. would you say the behavioural tendencies listed in my op characterises the majority of people?

I've often said to those who blame religion for extremism - with or without religion, we'll never escape our true nature. so, yeah, I know where you're coming from.

The listed behavioural characteristics in my op don't characterise me, or the majority of the people I know. I must have lived a sheltered life if such behavioural tendencies are considered normal.

You make it sound like normal human behaviour?

Drug related gangland culture, conflicts over religious beliefs and cultural practices and extremist political agenda's has given rise to state of heightened social discord throughout UK society, resulting in a myriad of violent incidents occurring on a daily basis such as acid attacks, murders, honour killings, executions, shootings, and a knife crime crisis of epidemic proportions that is devastating to our society and the youths caught up in it. Is our government doing enough to discourage those responsible? is losing 44,000 police officers and staff since 2010 to blame fore this heightened sense of disregard for the implications of their actions, the law, and the lives they take and ruin? In criminal terms, do the rewards far outweigh the risk that the consequences pose? Is this why our society is spiralling into chaos?

Already did prior to typing the post you've just quoted. Sorry, I'm at a loss. Educate me.

Which would be?

Agreed. And members of the Muslim community need to take a share of the responsibility too. The Muslim community needs to openly and publically condemn the Muslim's who are butchering innocent civilians on our streets and systematically grooming, raping and passing around our children, crimes that Robbinson and the media can so easily portray as being synonymous with immigration and Muslim's while the community pleads ignorance to what's going on and/or honours the communities code of silence, which is quite obviously happening, so hardly surprising that there's a division. Robbinson and the like play on the cultural devide, and if more of the Muslim community were openly supportive and sharing our frustration and concern over what's happening within their community, most of what Robbinson harps on about would fall on death ears abd hopefully close the devide. As Martin Luther king said. "In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends".

Agreeing on what's being discussed isn't always possible, and if we're not allowed to challenge points we disagree with, there's no point discussing anything that might devide opinion or stir emotion.

Apologies. Allow me to rephrase the question. Is Robbinson responsible or not?

Correction. I'm not certain of anything, which is why I'm not casting aspersions. You hold Robbinson responsible for Tarrant becoming a mass murdering terrorist, but why are you so certain that Robbinson even factored in it? The local shop running out of milk could just as ealiy trigger and inspire a wacko to embark on a killing spree.

So, whenever white supremacists commit anti islamic murderer/s , the trail of hate will irrevocably lead back to Robbinson? Why are you so certain that Tarrant was radicalised by Robbinson? What if Tarrant's extreme views were triggered and influenced by, and mirrored Islamic extremism?

You're the one that's already been warned that your Robbinson ramblings are off topic. And I have to agree. Your ramblings are set on double standards. Here's why. You claim Robbinson has spent years inciting hatred, leading to me pointing out that Begum has spent the past few years supporting hate fuelled terrorism. You'll allow Begum the benefit of the doubt but not Robbinson. Clearly, your hypocrisy knows no bounds.

So, the distinction is- Begum was seduced by hate but Robbinson wasn't? Care to expand on why you believe that to be the case?

And if he publically condemned this attack rather than make a comparison to justify it, he should be allwowed the benefit of the doubt shouldnt he? What's distinction are you've made between Ribbonson and Begum? Why is Begum allowed the benefit of the doubt but not Robbinson? Let's be clear on what you're saying here. Condemning Islamic extremism and the systematic grooming and rape of white, British schoolgirls makes me an Islamaphobe?

Rather not comment on my Richard Dawkins question? Of course not. He's not relevant to the topic.

This doesn't make him a terrorist though. I condemn certain aspects of Islam. I condemn Islamic extremism. I condemn the systematic grooming and rape of white, British schoolgirls. Does that make me an Islamaphobe? I like to think not. Does it make professor Richard Dawkins and the late great Christopher Hitchens Islamaphobe's? Wouldn't have thought so. Are all Muslim child molesting Islamic extremists? No. Are all none Muslims who bash Islam Islamaphobe's? No. Likewise, not every Islamaphobic, rightwing political public figure will be a terrorist.

Islam? So, he's a terrorist because he bashes Islam? Can you answer me this? What does Richard Dawkins hold utter contempt for?

The hypocrisy of some people knows no bounds. Ribbonson has nothing to do with this attack, so implicating him isn't topical at all. Tommy Robinson is by no means my favourite person, but to claim that he and these terrorists are cut from the same cloth after claiming Begum and her schoolgirl band of Isis brides are innocent until found guilty of a crime is ridiculous. He's publically condemned this attack and that in itself should allow him the benefit of the doubt for now. He remains innocent and doesn't deserve to be branded a terrorist unless he's found guilty of terrorism or implicated in some way. Can we return to discussing the topic now?

Probably attempting to prevent memes of his image going viral.

No. I never said 'all girl's', they're your word's. Introducing random screenings is the only feasible action that would discourage advocates from performing the procedure. It's common knowledge that the procedure is cloaked in secrecy and being carried out undetected at present, so it's time the authorities pulled their heads out of the sand because something has to change, and soon. We can't continue waiting for these girls to pluck-up the courage to speak out against their loved one's and community. It ain't gonna happen.