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  1. I have decided to quit the forum.

    No specific reason just think it is time to move on.

    I thank all  forum members past and present for some interesting and often thought provoking debates.

    Thank you and bye.

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  2. 1 hour ago, Mister M said:

    No, I don't have to agree with anything.

    Braverman is doing whatever she feels will tickle the political erogenous zones of the Conservative electorate. Being vile about the homeless, tick. Being vile about protesters, tick. Being vile about people who don't share her political opinions, tick. Being vile about asylum seekers, tick.

    If she was so keen to stop people sleeping rough, then she wouldn't have been part of a government which has cut local government funding and cuts to grants to hostels. Actions speak louder than words. Yes she's good at mouthing off about the vulnerable, but when it comes to doing something to get people off the street, what does she do? Nothing, in fact she just makes the situation worse.

    You are very strong at criticising the government when there is probably a lot being done as a result of her speech.

    Do you have respect for any politicians ?


  3. 25 minutes ago, Mister M said:

    How is she trying to change things for the better?

    Take her comments recently on people who sleep rough making a "lifestyle choice" to sleep rough. 

    So many organisations and people have told her it isn't true, that people's lives are complicated, that the average age of death for those who do sleep rough is 45, and that criminalising organisation who try and help the homeless by giving them tents will only make the situation even worse - if that's possible. 

    She, nor you, have told us why it is that so many more people make the "lifestyle choice" to sleep rough under a Tory government than a Labour government.

    Here, she is not taking responsibility, in fact she is doing the exact opposite,  she is blaming others for their misfortunes.

    She is trying to stop people from sleeping on the streets. !

    You must agree with this .


  4. 35 minutes ago, Mister M said:

    Well she is mouthing off a lot, which we can all do, but few of us are in the privileged position to try and do something about the problems she highlights. If she acted constructively instead of trying to find wedge issues between her and the opposition, and trying to ingratiate herself with the right wing of the party, then perhaps she'd have more success in her job.

    No I'm not blaming her for all the ills of the country. Though with regards to Brexit, she campaigned and voted for it, and given the wide reaching and negative consequences of Brexit, yes she is responsible. 

    Like I said, she is one of the very few people in the country with the power to change things for the better - for the people of this country, not just herself and her narrow band of supporters. 

    She is trying to change things for the better !

    She is acting constructively !

    She is not trying to ingratiate anyone but is doing the opposite and reflecting the views of the population against distracters.

    2 minutes ago, Prettytom said:

    She’s done absolutely nothing.

     

    She says outrageous things, which get her onto the front page of the Sun and airtime on GBNoNews.

     

    Then she does nothing about it. Rwanda, boats, tents. It’s all pathetic posturing.

     

    She’s clearly fooled you, but most of the rest of us can see her for the fraud that she is.

    Criticism is easy  of those who take responsibility .

     


  5. 12 minutes ago, Mister M said:

    Give over - she is trying to curry favour with the right wing of her party. She is acting in the interests for herself. 

    A good Home Secretary, especially in times like these, doesn't seek to divide ever more, exploiting trouble in our country, and making the job of those who are charged with keeping us safe ever more difficult.

    You might not have noticed Harvey, but crime figures are on the up. Even for someone who campaigned and voted for Brexit, presumably to "take control back of our borders", you have to admit the migrant crisis has gotten significantly worse since then. If she took her job seriously then she would be getting to grips with the processing of asylum applications, instead of politicking.

    Have you, or the Home Secretary worked out why it is that significantly more people make the lifestyle choice to sleep rough on our streets, than they did under the last Labour government?

     

    Are you blaming the Home Secretary for all the ills of the country.?

    If we had had Home Secretary's like her in the past we may not have some of the problems you mention.

    There has been opposition to many governments initiatives.

     


  6. 4 hours ago, Organgrinder said:

    It's true that all counties,  organisations,   etc. keep secrets and I haven't said anybody was wrong.

    That doesn't explain why you so readily believe what one source says,  the one that fits with your view,   but won't believe  what another one does.

    The propaganda war is on full throttle at this very moment and I've noticed that both BBC News and SKY News feature far more spokesmen from Israel than they do from Palestine.

    They both omit to show reaction around the world such as the massive gatherings in New York and neither of them mention how many Jewish people are protesting against the Israeli government.

    Very,  very  one sided indeed  -  I know full well that always happens in times of war but that doesn't make it right.

     

    You are right and it is often the side which has the best propaganda machine gets most support.

    Hitler recognised this with The Signal magazine.


  7. 49 minutes ago, mafya said:

    I suggest you watch different news sources like I suggested earlier and get a better idea ie look at the videos that BBC don’t show us and look at interviews with human rights lawyers and United Nations representatives and then you will have a broader view of the situation instead of being  a staunch supporter of Israel and trying to defend the indefensible. 
    Please don’t take my post as being rude or against you as sometimes posts can come across in that way it’s just that sometimes you need to widen your knowledge of something to get a better understanding. 

    No problem with your post.

    I am not a staunch supporters but  try to be objective and not just accept what is put in front of me.

    I also fully accept propaganda is distributed by all sides in situations like this and bias can give different descriptions of the same situation.

     


  8. 4 minutes ago, Mister M said:

    She's not afraid to put herself out there as the successor to Sunak, certainly. 

    She comes across as a shrill woman with reactionary, unpleasant views. Great choice as leader of the Conservative Party.

    That people who are homeless should go to a 'Lifestyle Change Centre' which is a rebranded workhouse. 

    Okay, you think it's a winner, write to Braverman and tell her of your ideas. 

    Being homeless is not a 'lifestyle choice'. Choosing to be ignorant of the facts about homelessness, and denigrating them for personal advancement is a lifestyle choice for Braverman. 

     

    The hostel system is not working in some areas as people have to book in advance.

    I was trying to give people a permanent roof over their heads, meals, clothing and other help they needed. What is wrong with that ?

    Surely it is preferable to begging and sleeping in a doorway.

    I am sure Mrs. Braverman will have taken advice from experts on the subject before making her announcement.


  9. 7 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

    Neither do you.  Oppressors always like to keep secrets.

    We do know how a lot of countries who oppress others always use the excuse of terrorism arrests,  with no trials and no access to international bodies.  Russia,  China,  N Korea etc.

     

    How do you know ? Listening to you one would think everyone was just  wrongly understood.

    Every country, organisation, families keep secrets. Even on this forum contributors identities are kept secret.

    We only know a tiny bit of what is happening in world politics and that is often from propaganda .


  10. 12 minutes ago, Mister M said:

    I thought you were saying about 2 or 3 weeks ago that you'd like to see Suella Braverman as the new Tory Party leader? 

    What's changed?

    Was it Braverman's tweet at the weekend sticking the boot into the homeless, complaining that 'sleeping outdoors in tents is a lifestyle choice"?

    In her rush to score brownie points with Conservative Party faithful, and desire to be the next leader, maybe she underestimated that some in her party might have a sliver of compassion and empathy.

    Certainly seems so:

    Tories join backlash at Suella Braverman's 'clumsy and crass' push to ban charities from giving homeless people tents after Home Secretary says sleeping rough is a 'lifestyle choice' (msn.com)

    I would still like to see Mrs Braverman as P.M. She is a woman with strong views on what she sees is best for our country and is not afraid to say so.

    I listened to Radio 5 this morning about homelessness and it reinforced what I was saying yesterday.

    Ref. the link you posted what percentage of MPs criticised her ?  Sensational reporting.


  11. 22 minutes ago, altus said:

    The article didn't mention people supplying the intelligence and, given Israel's control over communications infrastructure in Gaza and their spying abilities, it could easily be referring to signals intelligence.

     

    You assumed it was about people supplying information and stated that as a fact. If you don't want people to accuse you of making stuff up, qualify your assumptions.

    And you do not know the details.

     


  12. 5 minutes ago, altus said:

    So you made up the bit about it being to protect witnesses.

    If a  person supplied the sensitive intelligence they would need protecting and the way the intelligence was gathered would need protecting.

    Quite basic requirements.


  13. 1 hour ago, mafya said:

    not gone on trial to protect witnesses!! How do you think other countries protect witnesses? By not holding a trial?

    seriousley have a think about what you have just sa

    Without divulging sensitive intelligence it says in the article. 


  14. 17 minutes ago, mafya said:

    This an Israeli article= https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-1100-palestinians-said-held-by-israel-without-trial-highest-figure-since-2003/

    if you watch Al Jazeera they have a programme that comes on that looks into this, if you are serious about getting both sides of the story then maybe worth your while doing this so you can make your own mind up.

    I watch various news outlets to get a better idea of what the situation is…

    From the article it appears that those detained are suspected terrorists and they have not gone on trial to protect  the witnesses against them

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  15. 25 minutes ago, Mister M said:

    So why haven't they clarified their position?

     

     

     

    The Conservative peer Michelle Mone has acknowledged for the first time that she was involved with a company that was awarded government PPE contracts worth ÂŁ200m during the Covid pandemic.

    Lady Mone’s husband, Douglas Barrowman, has also acknowledged for the first time that he was involved in the company, PPE Medpro.

     

    The admissions raise questions about years of denials from the couple. Until now, Mone and Barrowman have consistently and emphatically denied to the Guardian, via lawyers, that they were involved in the company.

    In November 2020, Mone’s lawyer asserted that “Baroness Mone is not connected in any way with PPE Medpro”. Barrowman’s lawyers repeatedly denied that he was an investor in the company or a consortium supporting it, and said he “never had any role or function in PPE Medpro”.

    In December 2020, a lawyer instructed by Mone and Barrowman said “any suggestion of an association” between the Tory peer and PPE Medpro would be “inaccurate”, “misleading” and “defamatory”.

     

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/nov/06/michelle-mone-admits-involvement-with-vip-lane-ppe-company

    No idea.


  16. 15 minutes ago, Mister M said:

    Jake Berry MP who was the former party chairman told police

    a failure of some individuals to act allowed the alleged perpetrator to "continue to offend".

    He made the police aware of the allegations last year when he left his post.

     

    That's very serious. Why did the police not investigate immediately?

    They may have done and found no substantive evidence or maybe no individual make a complaint of an offence being committed against them.


  17. 22 minutes ago, RJRB said:

    Both parties have and continue to break the rules of warfare.

    Israel has broken International law for years by occupying Palestinians territory and until that is corrected by the International community then any lasting deal seems a distant proposition.

    Israel has detained thousands of Palestinians held without trial so why do you think that leads to the taking of hostages?

     

    Could you enlighten me on the situation of Palestinians detained  by Israel please. Reasons why, where and how are they held as I am not aware of the details.

    1 minute ago, cressida said:

    All hostages Harvey?   They could be back to square one if there is one single gunshot or bomb.

    Yes release all hostages, this could provide a catalyst for a ceasefire


  18. 23 minutes ago, mafya said:

    Two wrongs don’t make a right, Israel  has lost any moral argument and all the world can see.
    Innocent Jewish people will now be at risk due to the actions of Israel which is sad really as the repercussions for this situation will carry on for years.

    More Palestinians have been killed in the last month then in the whole time the Ukraine and Russian situation has been going on according to the news.

    Do you not think now it’s time to stop the blame game to try and justify illegal Israeli actions and instead admit what it has turned into?

    I am not playing the blame game but answering Organgrinder who asked who were the law breakers.

    If Israel say they are targeting military installations they will say their attacks are legal.

    If the hostages were released the battles may end.

    Like all wars it has turned into a dreadful situation where many have been killed and maimed.

    Like in all conflicts most people do not want it and only want to live peaceful lives.

    The only way forward in all these situations where countries/parties have historic conflicting views is to forget past real or perceived injustices and start again with clear objectives agreed by all.

    Not taking sides just being objective .

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