hollymay

there would be less crime in the uk if there was less immagration, that is a fact, is it not?

it seems to me with less people in the uk there will be less crime

nope.

 

Acpo 2006, see upthread when you made the same mistake.

yes..... Less people less crime....simple

It is true that there would be less crime in the uk if there were no immigration.

There would be less crime in the uk if there was less immagration, that is a fact, is it not?

If its in her name its her problem

Not ok, but not an offence of the same magnitude. NG has made it his career to metaphorically **** on poppies.

true.. very true.. my point is now the legion has opened the door on who should and should not wear the poppy. my question is a fair one to ask.

Why should they? He made a mistake whilst drunk.

 

Rather different from Nick Griffin who has spent a lifetime apologising for our opponents and undermining our troops like recently calling for our senior Generals to be executed or in the Rune where he said things like: "The Waffen SS were no worse than the troops of other nations - countless Allied war-crimes are simply not publicised." The SS were instrumental in a genocide, there is no equivalent

but its ok to **** on them then wear one ??

its interesting that a student can **** on poppys but the british legion dont tell him he should not wear the poppy

To be fair it came across as bullying to me too and confirmed the point dragon was making.

 

I can't stand the BNP but it's a reallity that those who vote for it are not all far right nutcases these days. Many people, including me, are concerned with the scale of uncontrolled mass-imigration - personally i'm not prepared to give my vote to a party like the BNP on that issue alone as so many of their other policies are idiotic and/or objectionable. But some people are, and may have formed their view through slick canvassing etc. Demonising those who may feel that the BNP is standing up for them just drives them firther towards the BNP.

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i tried to argue this yesterday

your comment is spot on

all you will get back is rants, soundbites, and of course racist

anti bnp posters are helping the bnp with there anti democratic stance.

hollymay kept dragging the discussion away from BNP policies and into a multitude of other areas while at the same time claiming that everyone is shouting the BNP down and calling them racists.

 

Everyone is going on about how important the BNP's recent electoral successes are and how they should be taken seriously and debated with. So we have this ludicrous situation where the poll says nearly 40% of people here, support the BNP but not one person has come on here, said they support the BNP and argued why we should all vote for them.

 

Pathetic! Can just one of those 88 people who have said they are 'in favour of the BNP' please come on this thread and say why?

 

Are you actually ashamed of publicly supporting the BNP? Is that it?

 

J

there is no debate to be had here, just individuals wanting to point score.

I suggest xHollymayx.

 

Kind of snappy.

mature, bet your a bully.

try reading my posts.

What are those lines all about?

 

They make you seem demented or obsessive.

 

Simple question, does the UK have mass, unchecked immigration? Yes or No?

 

J

ive answerd the question, im board of you now, carry on drumming up support for the bnp, with your infantile rants and sneers, soundbites dont change minds debate does.

Best laugh I've had in ages. Sky can have their box back - this is much more fun.

again mature:roll:

So you agree there is no mass unchecked immigration?

i think the system was at one stage in meltdown but its noway as bad as its made out by the far right. however nobody dare talk about the issue. why, they get called a racist.

I reckon she's had a Bacardi.

again so mature:roll:

This works best read aloud in Jonathon Ross's voice.

wow mature:roll:

i dont, please read my posts. i support free speech. i think that if the bnp was seen for what it is support would fall away. however soundbite rants dont work they just help the bnp gain support. why are so many people in support of the bnp? i think its due to the failure of the government to address the concerns of many people. issue one, mass unchecked immagration. to me it seems if the issue is raised the person that raised the issue is branded a racist. the result is the issue is not debated, it festers into support for the far right, the bnp.

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see what i mean?

Oh my god, you've lost it completely now!

 

You claim that the UK has mass, unchecked immigration then someone posts that we don't have mass, unchecked immigration and you say you agree with them.

 

Are you really the best the BNP can do?

 

J

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read my posts!!!

this is why the bnp are doing so well because of you and those like you.

i have not claimed anything

i asked a question

when i asked it i said the YOUR A RACIST RANTERS WOULD START

thanks for proving my point

You remind me of another poster, who "left" the forum a while ago. She used to start threads off. Then provoke arguments. Then play the victim.

 

Just an observation.

this is a debate

im for free speech for all

how about you?

The problem is not the issue of immigration in reality but more the perception of immigration. The statement that we have unchecked immigration is laughable; if you go and research the laws in place our system is as strict as the australian system everyone seems to perceive as better.

i aggree with you, but it seems a few million dont

6 county Ulster or 8 county Ulster? All Ireland elections or just the north?

 

Shall we say that when standing in elections, Sinn Fein do a lot better than the BNP?

 

J

it fantastic how knee capping works

Which doesn't exist. Why do you champion the BNP so?

learn to read then get back to me

holly, why do you support a party that has members who are bombers, rapists and child molesters?

i dont, please read my posts. i support free speech. i think that if the bnp was seen for what it is support would fall away. however soundbite rants dont work they just help the bnp gain support. why are so many people in support of the bnp? i think its due to the failure of the government to address the concerns of many people. issue one, mass unchecked immagration. to me it seems if the issue is raised the person that raised the issue is branded a racist. the result is the issue is not debated, it festers into support for the far right, the bnp.

Holly is correct on that.

 

In the euro elections sinn fein got 126,184 votes the BNP got 943,598 votes.

 

Obviously SF only stand in the comparitively small ulster constituancy, but in flat terms she is quite correct.

 

However if you purley look at constituancies fough BNP got 6.2% of the vote and SF 26%.

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thanks for that, did you miss me? just putting kid to bed.

verily, but they wouldn't have had much choice, despite how they considered themselves

 

it actually brings an interesting point up with regard to the bnp though. Why would i (and thousands upon thousands of other irish passport holders) be welcome in the uk under the bnp, but a black briton wouldn't have the same citizenship as his white countrymen?

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just read the bnp 2005 manifesto, they want a voluntary repatreation back to country of origin, is that what your getting at? Sounds pritty crazy to me.