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View from Wardsend Cemetery, with Wardsend bridge and Livesey St to the right (Picture Sheffield image t06743)

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This starts on Wednesday. It's free! You don't have to come to every session. "Are you interested in local history, family history, wildlife and creativity? Then join us for an exploration of Wardsend Cemetery. We'd love to hear about your memories of Wardsend, or you can come along and create new stories, poems and art work inspired by this intriguing location." More details here: Wardsend Words and Pictures

When Joseph Percival married shortly after the 1851 census, Henry and Ann were witnesses. They both signed with a mark, but their names were listed by the clerk as Henry and Ann WILLEY. ---------- Post added 02-02-2018 at 14:14 ---------- Speculation: A Henry WILLEY married an Ann JOHNSON on 3 Feb 1840 at Sheffield Parish Church (now the Cathedral). Henry was 21 and Ann 19 I am wondering if there is some subterfuge going on due to Ann being a minor. Henry is listed as a tanner, which doesn't fit but his father is a razorsmith named George (your Henry had a brother called George who was a razor grinder). Ann's father is listed as Joseph JOHNSON, brickmaker. Your Ann's father was a maltster, but at least two of her brothers were brickmakers. Are they re-arranging some facts to fool the church? ---------- Post added 02-02-2018 at 14:36 ---------- I think George WILLEY the brother married Ann CLARKE in 1838. In the 1841 census they have a son George aged 1. The birth of Mary Ann WILLEY, mother's maiden name CLARKE, was registered in Sheffield in SEP Quarter 1845. Mary Ann WILLEY appears to have married in December 1861 Jonathan NICHOLSON. She said she was 18 but she must have been younger. This could be the burial of her mother at St George's: WILLEY Anne 27 Apr 1848 Hammond St 26 wi George

The only Ann WILLIS who died in Sheffield in 1854 was 55 and a widow The only Henry WILLIS who died in Sheffield in 1863 was an infant. I can't find these people in the 1851 census or Henry in 1861, and I can't see a birth for Mary Ann, assuming she was born in Sheffield. There are only 2 people called WILLIS buried at St George's. One was an infant called Henry who died in 1837, the other was a Susanna who died in 1835. Things are not adding up at the moment. Do you have more information? Have you found this family in a census? Hugh

Many years ago I was crossing Ecclesall Road at a pedestrian crossing, my light being green, when a runner moving at some speed in the road had to take evasive action to avoid me. That silly beggar is now a peer of the realm. If he had run into me and injured himself his tally of olympic medals might be less impressive. If he had injured me I would have had to allow longer to get to the Manzil next time we went for a curry.

A live link to the inscribed book mentioned above: http://imgur.com/a/6jXoq A fascinating thread! Hugh

From the Walkley History website: Ruskin Park's Lost Streets Reappear After 40 years Hugh

Another Picture Sheffield image of Hattersley Street: Hattersley Street There is a recent Facebook thread about Hattersley Street and this image including former residents listing names they remember. I am not sure if the following link will work (it is a closed group but easy and quick to join) Hattersley Street discussion and photo The FB group is 'Walkley History' and the poster is Carole Haslam. Hugh

I spent an enjoyable hour this afternoon exposing the remains of the white bridge. There are some photos in a (new) thread on the Wardsend Cemetery Facebook page... The White Bridge

The image from Britain from Above shows two footbridges across the river near the power station. I think one at least may still be there as it was temporarily used by the public after the Wardsend bridge was swept away by the 2007 floods.

Thanks. Of course I never saw it but from the map that path doesn't seem to be inside the cemetery at all. Here's a detail of a 1947 image from Britain from Above (posted in the Wardsend FaceBook group) showing the two bridges. Britain from Above ---------- Post added 21-12-2016 at 00:00 ---------- Can you tell me the date of the map? I am comparing it with this 1905 map (from the same FaceBook thread): 1905 Map ---------- Post added 21-12-2016 at 00:03 ---------- My memory is obviously going because I find I have asked these questions before and you have answered them for which multiple thanks!

hillsbro - your planned walk reminds me of a question I was thinking of adding to a similar thread - Which bridge was the 'white' bridge, and which was the 'black' bridge? Hugh

Can someone satisfy my curiousity (as a late-comer who is trying to imagine this lost landscape), which was the "white bridge" and which was the "black bridge"? Was the white bridge the very white-looking footbridge over the railway that can be seen on some old photos? Hugh

Robert LEE (mother's maiden name MARRIOTT). birth registered in Wortley JUN Qtr 1953. There is also a Janet LEE registered in Wortley in MAR Qtr 1958, with mmn MARRIOTT. Hugh

Two marriages, from FindMyPast: marriage 6 Jul 1912 St Mary’s Ecclesfield after Banns Fannie LEE 26 Spinst 20 Nether Terrace Ecclesfield father John LEE, foreman William Hilton BAILEY 31 Bach colliery deputy Thorpe Hesley father Edward BAILEY (deceased) school master witnesses Arthur LEE, Florrie SHAW marriage 25 Aug 1917 St Mary’s Ecclesfield by licence Frank LEE 27 Bach 2nd Corporal R.E. on leave from France father John LEE foreman Kathleen STANLEY 21 Spinst 20 Nether Terrace Ecclesfield father [blank] witnesses Harry LEE, Gladys LEE

Did anyone here live in or do you remember the houses at the bottom of Greaves Street between the road and the Drill factory? Odd numbers 1-51 and Court 1. This might seem an odd question (and a long shot) but I am interested in the boundary between the gardens and the factory. Was it a wall or a fence, old or new? Was there a step down to the works? Did anyone comment on the fact that it was far from a straight line? I am trying to learn all I can about the lost Rawson Spring Wood. I believe that the boundary between the houses and the factory preserved the boundary between the wood and the surrounding fields, the factory being "outside" and the houses being "inside". Take a look at the maps in this blog post. The last is a detail from from the 1951 ordnance survey Walkley History: Rawson Spring Wood Thanks in advance for any comments!

The blocked-up gateway is still there beside the old tram terminus. This image from PictureSheffield shows part of the house: http://www.picturesheffield.com/frontend.php?keywords=Ref_No_increment;EQUALS;s13230&pos=2&action=zoom&id=16111

I've found that there were two Charles Williams, father and son. I think this is both of them in the 1925 directory at SheffieldIndexers: SAXBY, Charles William (~, Coal Dealer). Address: 64 Mount Pleasant Road, ~ in 1925. Recorded in: Sheffield & Rotherham Kelly?s Directory. SAXBY, Charles William (~, Coal Merchant and Motor Haulage Contractor). Address: 168 Vincent Road, ~ in 1925. Recorded in: Sheffield & Rotherham Kelly?s Directory. This is the family in the 1911 census: 1911 census Chas William SAXBY Head Marr 47 grocer’s assistant (out of work) born Sheffield Annie Burgoyne SAXBY Wife Marr 37 born Sheffied (married 16 years, 9 children, 6 living) Chas William SAXBY Son 15 errand boy (removers etc) born Sheffield Stanley SAXBY Son 14 cutler’s apprentice born Sheffield May SAXBY Dau 9 school girl born Sheffield Percy Burgoyne SAXBY Son 7 school boy born Sheffield Edith SAXBY Dau 3 ‘baby’ born Sheffield ---------- Post added 03-07-2016 at 21:28 ---------- Charles William senior probably found difficulty getting work in a grocer's because in 1902 he was convicted of stealing spirits from his employer and was sentenced to 2 months hard labour.

Thanks Hillsbro for the side-by-side photos. I think they confirm my belief that the farm was in the middle of the later sports area, and also that the farm boundary with eg Hattersley St was just about where the edge of the sports area is now.

I am interested in the history of "the Farm" - Rawson Spring Farm and also of the lost Rawson Spring Wood. I would be grateful for any memories of the farm - who lived there? Someone told me they rememberd animals there - presumably farm animals. Can anyone confirm that? If people played on it, was it derelict? What sort of games were played? JR Wrigley who has a photo of the farm in his "A Walkley Camera" calls it Cook's Farm. Can anyone remember that or explain the name? Finally, I'd like to get an idea of the topography. How high was the wall at the top of Hattersley Street (did it take much climbing)? Can anyone give me an idea of where the farm was in relation to the surviving buildings (junior school, infants school, Majuba Street which is still there as a path) TIA, Hugh ---------- Post added 23-05-2016 at 22:06 ---------- These streets were long gone when I came to Sheffield but those of you who remember them might be interested in this image at PictureSheffield: Grammar Street The description says: image ref: s16357 Grammar Street at junction with Creswick Street, 1969-1972, No 19, White Horse Pub, No 22, Victoria Inn Date Period: 1960-1979 If I've got it right King James St is just beyond the parked car on the left and the prominent building in the distance is on the corner of Hattersley St. Hugh

So what financial reward were you looking for when you came into the history part of this forum?

I am told that Sheffield Libraries are about to let their subscription to Ancestry lapse in order to subscribe to FMP. This *might* be due to the fact that FMP were chosen a few years ago to film and digitise the parish records held by Sheffield Archives. If you are likely to be researching Sheffield families you might want to take the above into account. I use both. The newspapers available on FMP are important to me while the huge body of information in the trees on Ancestry is also a great asset (though not to be taken as gospel, as already mentioned). Hugh ---------- Post added 01-04-2016 at 23:16 ---------- Concerning the specific topic of probate mentioned above, Ancestry no longer has an online monopoly now that the government has launched its own search site: https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#wills Hugh

Since the creation of this thread I have an additional reason to be interested in The Lawns.. ...as the location of the discovery in the 18th century of a 2nd century Roman military diploma... see, for example... https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Hall_of_Waltheof/Chapter_XXXV Hugh

A pdf of the excellent Museums Sheffield pamphlet about the ivories: The Grice Collection...