i just recived a phone call from virgin offering me the v+ box for a one off payment of £30.. and no extra payments for the v+ service... i heard normally u have to pay £5 a month or some thing..so i had to take the offer up.. so now im getting: v+ xl, free calls 10meg broadband for £45 a month.. sky would never do a deal like that. i have had 2 family members conned into joining sky saying they will get all this free **** and its just all lies.. and the service is just shocking... virgin all the way