Keith Rich

It's not as though people are just allowed out to blast away willy nilly - the paying hunters would be with game wardens, animals selected accordingly and the fees helping to support the game reserves.

 

Back to your post above, in some areas poaching does threaten numbers, but in other areas culling has been authorised in recent years.

 

I'm keeping my eyes and ears open in case I hear of any panda culls - a panda would make a cracking foot stool.

Your head would make a cracking football.

Call me stupid, but where are the billions coming from to bail out the banks?

 

Are they borrowing it from the banks?

 

And if we're just printing it, why can't we print the money, or some of it, to pay our debt?

Mugs like you and me of course:mad:

Because labour screwed it up royally. Now it seems everyone's blaming hardship on the Tories but the truth is, there was no other way for the country to recover from what labour did.

You mean from what the banks did.

Maybe you should re-read wex's post. He was simply quoting both different views of Churchill, not advocating one over another.

 

The only "nutty saying" is yours for trying to put words in his mouth.

Fair enough

I must say how pleasantly surprised I am to see all these threads started to show Labour support are actually proving to show the opposite!!

 

Less people are blinkered when viewing the Labour party than I thought! Which is great in my book!

I wouldn't be too happy. This Forum dosen't represent the views of Sheffielders as a whole.

Try standing on Fargate for an hour and ask a random set of people what they think of the Tories. Their replies will be unprintable.

WOW it took you a long time, I just read the user name and realised it would be a lot of crap so didn't bother reading the OP.

So you admit to passing judgement on a written piece of work even though you have never read it.

This is what is known as a biased and bigoted opinion.

Congratulates, you have passed the test with flying colours. You are now a true Tory.

Churchill back in 1909, before he left the Liberal Party and joined the conservatives. So if he believed what he said, things must have changed before he joined, thus your argument is completely scuppered by your own words. Either Churchill was a fraud or the conservative party where not the same years later when he joined them.

 

Which of the above do you believe Keith?

 

All this from the very same Churchill who said: “Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”

In other words when Churchill attacks Socialism he's spot on, but when he attacks the Conservatives he's not.

Another nutty saying to add to the list on my other post. Cheers

How are poor people being made to pay? Controlling the runaway benefits free-for-all is hardly the same as reducing benfits for those who truly need them.

 

That would be anybody who voted the last Labour government in then. They caused the country's financial problems by empowering Labour to screw everything up.

Good old Conrad, always depend on him to trot out this ancient chestnut. Well it is easier than looking at the actual facts isn’t it?

By the way Churchill also said this:

Churchill claimed that "the cause of the Liberal Party is the cause of the left-out millions," and attacked the Conservatives as "the Party of the rich against the poor. The Real Churchill, by Adam Young (2004).

The party of the rich…now where have we heard that before? Oh yes from me on this Forum…No no need to applaud. Knowing that I was once again right is reward enough.

Oh you know, little things, like selling gold at the lowest prices ever. There's plenty about if you bother to look.

 

Don't worry I know you won't bother, and even if you did, you'd claim black was white if it suited you. A bit like your "in living memory" statement in your Tory bashing thread, utterly devoid of reality.

So you don't have any evidence then?

No, the malfeasance started long before the credit crisis.

And your evidence for this is...?

Why would I lose my home?

Ah the poor innocent lamb....bless.

I have far far more confidence in this government than the previous one.

 

Whether they can get us out of this mess is debatable.

 

Unfortunately they were left a disasterous legacy of malfeasance, overspend and debt.

Due to the bankers greed and stupidity.

Not just talking about the michael moore film, which highlighted the sickening and rotten way society is managed, along with peter josephs excellent series of zeitgeist films...

 

The st pauls cathedral protests are not just in this country, people have had enough all over the world, and i quite frankly hope it gets worse, because lets face, capitalism is and always has been radical evil

 

when george bush said it was the best system ever devised, he was quite honestly brainwashed by his own self supporting system of corruption

 

i seriously hope that we have a world wide movement that strikes at the very heart of all corrupting governments as well as the banking elite

The plain truth is that the Love of Money is the Root of all Evil. Its just that people don't like to hear the truth.

Supporters of the Nasty Party have always put nutty statements on this forum, but in recent weeks the problem seems to be getting worse.

Despite the fact that the Tories haven’t won a single seat in Sheffield in living memory and support for the Tories in Sheffield is as rare as an intelligent thought in Cameron’s head this forum is flooded with extreme right wing fanatics who see fit to give us the benefit of their words of wisdom every minute of the day.

I have put together five of the nuttier statements by the right wing intelligentsia that I have seen in recent weeks:

‘The reason the mines closed down was because the miners went on strike.’

‘When there is a dispute between the Unions and Management I never look at the issues behind the dispute because it is always the fault of the Unions. If anyone goes on strike it is equivalent to giving in their notice.’

‘Labour took thousands off unemployment benefit and put them on Incapacity benefit.’ (Presumably with the support of Doctors who examine people to see if they qualify for IB)

‘Labour encourage a benefits culture.’ (Despite the fact that unemployment is always higher under the Nasty Party)

‘Gordon Brown is a Marxist.’

Feel free to add your own.

No they aren't. That's just a view you fabricate based on your own class envy/hatred.

You know nothing about me so how can you make such a claim?

Oh yes your usual stance of 'Don't bother me with the facts I have made my mind up already.'

Look at the facts you dozy muppet

Anyone who defends this governemnt is saying that they are happy that money being taken from the poor, the disabled and the less fortunate in order to pay for the mistakes of multi millionaire bankers

The figs you supplied are on their own meaningless as they are not expressed as proportion of GDP (gross domestic product). Labour inherited a debt situation of 44% of GDP from John Major in1997, until the banks bailout the debt situation was actually below the inherited 44% fig, giving the lie to the points you are trying to make.

Spot on as usual. Showing the Tory nutters are still living in their own fantasy world that even David Cameron wouldn't recognise.

if you want to be that simplistic then if the Tories didn't have to fix the problems caused by Labour maybe unemployment wouldn't be so high each time Labour loses their place in government?

 

But its not that simple though is it Keith. For both party's there is one common factor behind each rise in unemployment over the last 30+ years and that is recession. Each time there is a recession, unemployment rises. so to try and say its all the torys fault is a little disingenuous

 

 

 

Labour did indeed help many people get back off of unemployment benefit. They helped them get on Incapacity benefit instead.

 

 

 

And we have another recession.

So we are in agreement…unemployment is always higher under the Tories. Congratulations, I knew you would come to your senses in the end.

The thing you now need to work on is this crazy notion that people can’t wait to get on the dole. I mean a child of 10 could tell you that being unemployed is one of the worse things that could happen to anyone.

If you think about it for 2 minutes you will realise that you only believe this because you have been told to believe it by the horrible right wing tabloids.

Don’t ever read them again and you will become a much less arrogant and misinformed person.

Good luck

Labour encourages you to stay home and sit on your arse while the hard working pay for your huge TV and your Iceland meals. Tories encourage you to go out and work.

 

Why should the rich have to pay HALF their earnings in tax to fund the lazy buggers sat at home?

 

A flat tax rate would be much fairer as the more you earn, the more you pay but its linear rather than hugely disproprtionate and it encourages you to work harder and try to earn more.

 

The way out is to encourage private spending, not public as the governemnt has no money. Encourage enterprise, something that generally happens under a Conservative government.

 

Labour's policy of sending 50% of young people through university was a terrible one and resulted in the creation of useless and worthless degrees.

Gordon Brown sold all the gold at the wrong time losing billions, we were taken into two wars one of them illegal and on baseless grounds and spent billions, killed thousands of civilians and hundreds of our young troops and for nothing and yet people still defend them.

Not at all. There is always far higher unemployment under the Tories than under Labour.

One of the first things Tony Blair did when coming into office was to put a windfall tax on the rip off utility company. This was used to help get people back into work after record levels of unemployment under the Tories.

We now have another Tory government and unemployment is on the increase again.

And with regard to the Iraq war Cameron voted for it. It was Bush, Blair and Cameron's war. Cameron has just took us into another war.

Because it was unpopular and Brown thought that the only way to the next election was to bribe the electorate with some big spending plans that it couldn't really afford?

In your opinion it had nothing to do with bailing out the banks? So who did bail out the banks if not the government?

Please explain what Labour's big spending plans were.

Yes. The government spent more money than it could afford. Or did you read something different in the Daily Mirror?

Just remind us why the government had to spend

It was on the news the other day that charities have set up food banks in various places round the country for people with no money. They can get a carrier bag of food for free to stop them starving. This is Britain in the 21st century, and the government should be ashamed.

 

In spite of the media continually trying to make us think that benefit recipients are living the high life, this is the reality. There are more homeless living on the street, more children living in poverty, and I suspect there will be more old people dying of hyperthermia this winter, especially if it's a hard one.

 

Meanwhile the bankers continue to trouser billions, and the people at the top, and those in power still have their corrupt little snouts in the trough and are doing very nicely thankyou. But we're all in this together don't forget...

Well said Anna,

Fraid the situation will only get worse in the coming years. People are becoming more greedy, corrupt and less caring about others due to the evils of Capitalism.

Even when people are multi millionnaires they still want more money. In a way it's sad because they can't even recognise what they have become.

When you hear of governments cutting back on expenditure do you immediately blame the Tories or do you research into how much of a deficit the last government passed on and how we have been forced into this drastic action?

 

Or do you do none of these things and assume if Labour were in charge that they could magic money out of thin air and employ all those out of work in highly paid public sector jobs paid for by using Monopoly money?i

I do lots of research. Do you understand why there is a deficit? I mean the real reason, not what you have read in the Daily Mail

There is no excuse for striking. We're not in the era of workhouses now, all employees are paid a fair wage for a day's work. Some get greedy, or try to meddle with the company's business when it decides it needs to shed or relocate staff. Strike action should be interpreted as an employee handing in their immediate notice.

But you have just proved how little you know about strikes. You are assuming they are always about money which they are not.

So without knowing it you have answered my question. You are not interested in facts and evidence because you have made your mind up already.

Do some research then you will have an informed opinion rather than a biased and bigoted one.

Mining was uncompetitive and any hopes of recovery destroyed by Scargill and the unions. The automotive industries in the UK were killed by the 1970s unions and never recovered. General engineering in Sheffield was no worse hit by the 80s recession than anywhere else. Ship building lost out to cheaper overseas competition.

 

Still, you can blame the Conservative government if it makes you feel better.

When you hear of possible strike action by Unions do you keep an open mind, do some research into the dispute and examine the issues surrounding the problem to find out why Unions have been forced into such drastic actions.

Or do you do none of these things and just automatically go into brain-dead mode and assume it’s the Unions fault, without really knowing anything about it?