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FUD!! and SWEETMEATS rotted your teeth!! Never had cane from Herbert myself (did from other teachers) but heard all the horror stories from others, backed up of late by earlier correspondents on here. School like life you meet some good and some bad people, thankfully more good than bad. You wonder how the Herbert regime lasted so long? Fine line between discipline and brutality. (engineering 59-62) …….. CTS our pride and joy?

The good old days!!! I started at Firs Hill in 1951 when everyone walked to school safely. A ride on the bus was an outing, (sometimes we went all round on the inner circular, for variety we alternated between 8 and 9 !!!)the trams to Woodseats actually had wood seats. Not long since I experienced this, now a museum piece!!!. There again so am I

Sadly I do not share the happy times at the baths as my experiences there have left me scared of water to this day. (nearly 60 years) However I am thankful to previous contributors who have shared similar (Mr Scott) experiences to me. That area of Sheffield has scarred me for life ....... Elsmere Road School Dentist !!!!

Hi I left in 62 so would be intertested to see how many of the teachers I can name.

Hi Gary Can you send copy of photo please Malcolm

Hi Garry I played tenor horn on that fateful speech day morning when Herbert bust a gut!! If I remember right that was during my second year, (61 ?) I later went onto trombone after teaching myself to play it. I have been following this thread for some time and find it interesting the different view points of contributors. To be honest I look back with fondness to my CTS days. Yes I did get caned, but usually for not handing in homework, and mostly by Fred Frow. I did not hold that as a grudge against him into later years. A few years after leaving I lived next door to Albert Fairbrother with Nat Dove next but one. Fred used to visit Albert so I met him on a number of occasions. The first time we met he was quick to point out that his name was Alan!! We got on fine. We lost touch when Albert ran off with Katie!! The rather sexy French Mistress. After school I embarked on a 33 year career in engineering, 25 of them at BSC Rotherham, 18 in middle-management. I was made redundant in 95 and started the next day in social work eventually ending up in government funding. I sill work part-time for the local council. I may retire at the end of next year when by contract runs out. I will be 67 by then. Looking back over my career I cannot see how I would have had the opportunities I have had if I had stayed at Hinde House Sec Mod. I left CTS with a second class diploma, that got me a craft apprenticeship that has stood me in good stead. Malcolm

Sad to hear about Sally. Fond memories of school band days (Elizabethan Serenade excepted) and Ken EWP?

My wife Margaret's mother, Sarah Brookfield, married Sidney Batten Chamberlain NOT Bill Cowen who was married to Sister Alice. Alice and Bill had two sons. Please contact us by private email and we will get in touch direct.

I knew a Lawrence Bagshaw in Retford he died a few years ago. He origonated from Sheffield I think.

That's him Alf Simpson. I think Pop lived on a farm One of the stories was that he had a big mound at the gate where he stood guard with a shot gun!! You are the exact opposite to me I enjoyed the practical side and naturally went on to be a practical engineer, gradually working my way up the ladder into management. I then went into social work for a few years also did some IT lecturing, but for the last 5 I have been in an admin roll (a wiz with spreadsheets). I have also developed a number of websites, including an e business site for a friend selling Motox gear. My practical skills now directed to maintaining my youngest sons motox bike.

Dukes Went to firs hill same time as you can you contact

For 50 years I have lived with the fear of water because of this guy. It would appear that I was not the only one to get the brush treatment.

Spot on with Myers Grove, it's left a permanent scar on her in doors. Fred often used to visit next door and was an ok guy. French guy was quite young tall with black hair if I remember right. Ian Turner tall thin blonde, was in same class as me I recall.? Can remember John Garside I think he played trombone. I also had a spell on trombone before I left. First year I was there we had a good band John Parkinson played solo cornet with Sally Army and another guy was good on Tenor Horn band went down hill after they left. Was interested to see cricket team, an image of the one I used to have but with different faces. Still some familier faces. Pop was a character, his other skill? was his ability to drive scrap cars and get away with it. One story going round at the time was about the time he had a car without a streering wheel and used a spanner on the central nut. The story went on to say he had a smash in it when the spanner came off. May be far fetched but knowing the guy then it could have been true. There was also the regular story of him shooting a moving target in his room. I have heard that the old school is being redeveloped but have not been that way for 20 + years. Must go a trip down memory lane at some time. Anyone remember Brian Carnall, he was in brickies a year above me. We heard this week that he passed away in April. He worked for Heath's the undertaker for a good number of years. Another name comes to mind Gregory he was in our class. One day we were tinsmithing with Harry, we all called him Mr Perkin but with affection. I think it was his birthday or something and we gave him a card with the verse "In the tinshop we've larking so hear's good luck to Mr Parkin". Gregory quipped it ought to be "In the tinshop we've been WORKING so hear's good luck to Mr Perkin. Harry took it in good humour. Who was the guy who taught mechanics who was the brunt of all the practical jokers? I recall he had the habbit of resting on his desk with his hand over, but not touching, the board rubber. One day one of our class fastened some cotton to it and pulled it away. Jack Whoolhouse was good, I often think of him when I clean my glasses. He was always sending someone to the shop for LeansClean I recall. There were a number of the practical teaching staff who had had a spell in industry who taught differently to the accademics. One guy who springs to mind took us for sand bashing can't remember his name.

PS Talking about Bee & Gray was there also A.J.Mee whose book we also used? It's been interesting to read others perspective on the same school. Yes I remember stories of herbert's caning regeame and indeed had some myself (not from him) for failure to produce home work etc. but 40+ years ago we accepted this as par for the course, overall I look back now and think just where would I have ended up if I had not had the engineering education? Evan though I say it myself I turned out to be a good engineer. Call me sad but I still sing the old school song from time to time, when in the car usually at full blast. Z cars has a lot to answer for. I still look back with some pride, in contrast to my wife who went to Myers Grove in the days when gender was all important as to the way the head treated his pupils.

No I left at 16 (from 6A) not wanting to stay on for O level. I went into engineering, eventually ending up at BSC for 24 years. I originated from Hinde House, previously attending Firs Hill Junior. I was given the nick name of digger at the time after some character in one of the soaps. Albert Fairbrother lived on Tullibardine, I understand after we moved up to Aston that he took up with Katie (not heard her mentioned). By the way my spelling is diabolical heaven help the rest of my year because I won the English prize!!!!. Fank gudnes 4 spel chequa I played tenor horn in the school band. Can anyone remember the practice for speech day when Herbert went mad at the bands performance of the Elizabethan Serenade? I also kept wicket for the second eleven. It was 6 or 7 years after leaving that I moved next door to Albert and renewed my acquaintance with Fred. His first words were "and by the way it's Alan"!!! Anyone remember Latham driving himself to school much to the annoyance of the staff because he had a better car than any of them. Did we also have a French teacher whose favourite phraise was "the subtle difference of the two main factors"? or was that Hinde House,