Justin Smith

Originally Posted by Justin Smith : It may be unarguable that Grammar schools produce better results for those who attend them than the average comprehensive. I meant that the pupils of the same ability would do as well at a good comp. One obviously cannot expect a comp, however good, to get the same overall results as a Grammar when the latter has all the most able academic pupils and the former takes all levels of ability. ---------- Post added 08-03-2017 at 13:27 ---------- Crime prevention is exceptionally important. It isn`t just the cost of crime, which is massive, it`s the blight on people`s lives, both actual and imagined. Thus, if having extremely well resourced special schools improves the educational attainment of the excluded pupils, enables the kids in the other schools to study better without disruption, and reduces crime, it`s worth it, more or less however much it costs. ---------- Post added 08-03-2017 at 13:29 ---------- Good post. The answer to the last point is it doesn`t play to many Tories. It also doesn`t play to many parents who don`t seem to have worked out that their kids, statistically, won`t be going to any Grammar school, they`ll be at the Secondary Modern down the road. On the latter point, it may be a long way down the road, literally, = more traffic congestion.

The chancellor has specifically said there`ll be no more money for the NHS (not even an inflation increase), in fact he`s openly saying he thinks he`ll need a war chest to pay for Brexit. Not what we were told before the referendum..... I think we can be pretty certain there will never be the infamous £350 million a week increase.

I would say yes. Where else are kids going to socially integrate ? I wouldn`t take this too far though. I think disruptive pupils should be excluded from main stream schooling and placed in schools specially set up for them. Those schools should have exceptionally low pupil /teacher ratios, and they should spend as much money on them as is needed to educate the disruptive kids, and, more importantly, try to prevent then falling into crime. It may be unarguable that Grammar schools produce better results for those who attend them than the average comprehensive. But there are two points here. The best comprehensives are as good as Grammar schools. The other point, and a far more important one, is that the Grammar / Sec Modern system produce worse results for the majority of kids who attend the secondary moderns.

It is most certainly not an infantile thread, it`s quite serious. Many people, I would say most people, dislike loud cars and bikes, particularly when they wake them (or their kids up). In fact they`re illegal. The only people who would want this thread locked are people with noisy cars or bikes, because, let`s face it, they don`t actually have a reasonable defence. All they actually say is they just want to do it and aren't bothered what other people think. Actually, I`d go further, certainly when first started, this thread was a local forum at it`s best. It was using pooled knowledge to find something out. Occasionally it still is doing that.

Even if Grammar schools give a better academic education (which is debatable) they`re arguably rather socially divisive. What is definitely not arguable or debatable is that most kids (is it 75 or 80% ? ) don`t go to Grammar schools anyway. They go to Secondary Moderns. If you ask people whether they like Secondary Moderns very few will say yes. But you can`t have one without the other.

It'd be interesting to know if the house owner had that garage built for his motorbike. But it`s a bit short sighted really, assuming he`s got room for a full size garage, it may have cost less to build, but it`ll not add the same value to the house when he sells it.

Very good, and very true.

I sold it. ---------- Post added 07-03-2017 at 16:07 ---------- What kind of <removed> is this. I don`t even know where to start with this, we`ll forget about the fact the referendum was (only just) "won" by lying, and concentrate on the fact that loud exhausts are illegal. Having said that, lying is illegal as well isn`t it ? So maybe you`re right, there are similarities between the Leave campaign and illegally loud exhausts.

I hate loud noise, loads of people do. I very much object to you implying I`m being selfish or odd, when the people being selfish and odd (in that they really think people don`t mind their racket) are those with ear splitting exhausts. I once had a Westfield with a loud exhaust and I really disliked it, I felt guilty every time I drove past anyone. But, to be fair to me, the difference was I had no choice, there was no other one available for it

Most people don`t put their car in the garage though do they ? It` s usually extra storage, possibly with a workbench at one end for many men. I accept that the space shouldn`t be called a garage unless it`s technically usable as such, but for most people it doesn`t actually matter. One final point, not a lot of people know this, but a garage is the worst place to put a wet car because it takes so much longer to dry than outside. On the other hand the best place is under a car port. We used to have one of the latter, but no longer alas. Car ports are fantastic, not only do they prolong the life of your vehicle (rust wise) but you don`t have to fart about opening and closing doors and still never have to remove frost or condensation from the windows when you drive off in the morning. And you can unload them in the dry even if its p*****g it down.

The problem being that was for some esoteric alternative vote system (it`s so arcane I`m not even sure I`ve got the name right) which Cameron foisted on Clegg and the Liberals. And they, rather unwisely, accepted. I`m pretty sure straight proportional representation would have got a higher vote, and probably even won. 44% is still way short of a majority.

Oh dear, according to the BBC this morning she (Theresa May*) is not let this Grammar school populist nonsense just quietly disappear. Still, hopefully, parliament will kill it off, send it back to the 50s where it belongs. * you`d have thought she`d got more than enough on at the moment, what is wrong with the stupid woman.

The overhead shots from the cameras ? Surely they`re comparable ? But on this "it depends how they`re being reported thing", which, to a certain extent I agree with you on, I`m sure the Express or Mail would not report them the same way as The Times or the BBC, because to the Express or Mail they (correctly as it happens) equate Trump with Brexit, and they`re head over heels about the latter. Conclusion : If you want to know what`s really going on watch the BBC or read The Times

It`s not the garages getting smaller, it`s the cars getting wider. My previous car was a Ford Escort, it fitted under the section of our car port which narrows relatively easily. I swapped it for it`s newer version, the Ford Focus, that was a few critical inches wider, and it was tight fit.

I cannot understand why anyone over here, not anyone who actually thinks about it, would be pleased that Trump was the US President. Even nationalists, like Penistone999, shouldn`t be pleased about it, let`s repeat shall we ? : Trump is an American nationalist, that is America first. British nationalists want Britain first. Can`t you see the illogicality...... To anyone who isn`t a nationalist, it`s quite obvious why people don`t like or respect Trump. I see you`re pro Brexit, you know the vote that was won by lying ? If not, when is the NHS getting its £350 million a week ? And when are we going to get this free trade deal (like all the Leavers said we definitely would* "because the EU have more to gain form it") ? * Note, it was only the Leave campaign which said this, and repeatedly. Everyone else said it was not going to happen.

Small ones, relatively speaking.

It occurred to me this post (from another thread) was relevant on here. ---------- Post added 06-03-2017 at 16:17 ---------- IU see you haven`t admitted you`re wrong over the Loud Pipes Save Lives <removed>, like you would if you had anything about you. The question is, have you got anything about you ? ---------- Post added 06-03-2017 at 16:19 ---------- The link is here : http://www.sheffieldforum.co.uk/showthread.php?p=11507439#post11507439

Which quote in particular are you on about ?

I must admit that after his Congress speech I did wonder if the penny had dropped (pun intended : Penistone999) and Trump would begin acting like a President, and then by implication, he`d stand a better chance of completing his term. And then this. Unless the guy has absolute proof* that Obama did indeed authorise the tapping of his phone (and the previous head of the CIA has denied it), he (Trump) is an imbecile. How is he going to get out of this ? *And if he has why did he not out it out there ?

Why should I be frothing at the mouth, even if it does happen ? We`ll just see what happens shall we ?

Originally Posted by unbeliever : Nissan have recommended a £100million one-off investment for the whole UK in the interests of the UK car industry as a whole. The BBC news reported that the £100 million figure was just for "Nissans North East operation" ---------- Post added 05-03-2017 at 17:58 ---------- As a student of history, you give the impression you are (I mean that as a compliment), you should retract that comment. War is never an impossibility, ever. Do you dispute this : I think, that if the EU did fall apart, there would be far more chance of a war in Europe within the next 100 years, than there will be of the NHS getting its £350 million a week....... Bear in mind that war is never an impossibility, but the NHS`s £350 million a week is !

Quite. You said nothing, you did not say, if the falling apart of the EU led to war(s) in Europe, then leaving (if that contributed towards the EU`s failure) would not have been worth it. If that`s not what you think then I`m perfectly happy to accept that I or you may have misinterpreted the question and the answer. Are you saying that, having clarified the question, you would, under those circumstances, now say that it would not have been worth it ? Or are you saying it`d still have been worth it ? The repeated assertions this is all hypothetical are a little irrelevant, nearly all this thread is hypothetical. I think war in Europe, within our lifetimes, is not likely, but it`s certainly not impossible. Here`s an interesting point, I think, that if the EU did fall apart, there would be far more chance of a war in Europe within the next 100 years, than there will be of the NHS getting its £350 million a week.......

It was a ladies gym prior to my buying it in 1996. That terrace was originally built in 1901 as officers quarters for the barracks opposite. ---------- Post added 04-03-2017 at 12:12 ---------- I don`t have anything against motorbikes, particularly as I`m an ex biker. They take up less road space, use less fuel, theoretically would emit less pollution (unless modified.....) and only very rarely kill (other) people. No, I like motorbikes, that`s quiet motorbikes obviously. Noisy bikes, that`s a completely different ball game, selfish gits.

Which parking bay are you referring to ? If you mean the one outside my shop, that`s rarely full because it`s pay and display so people just park on the residential back streets. That`s not the parking bay I`m referring to. Ironically, I don`t park there, I park the other side of the tram gates and walk the last half a mile into work. If I need the car at work that day I just go and pick it up, or drive it all the way in (if I know in advance). It keeps me a bit fitter and saves me time queueing all round Hillsborough park and along Penistone Rd, going into work, and then home again.

No, I think in most people`s opinion. Actually, in everyone`s opinion. I`d have thought even the Mail or Express would admit to it.