Le Phantom

Fair point, be interesting to see how the new people work it, twas once very good indeed...

Depends what you can afford... rich Totley/Dore/ or anywhere near the Uni/hospitals like Crookes. Check the recent BBC article about high performing secondary schools and you'll find other areas like Norton/Norton Lees are on the up because the local school is much improved ie Newfield in fact that list is as good an indicator as you'll get Link here

Recall the first one it wasn't 20 years more like 5-10 from memory but don't recall the other one.

Yup, just been, if you liked it before you will like it now and they are taking cards again. Davido there as ever, the place has been done up and great food/good value.

Well here is one http://www.lovemytown.co.uk/Populations/TownsTable1.asp getting a bit techincal here

Interesting, I wonder if they get measured in different ways? I've come across the 1-4 in England (admittedly a few years ago) as London, Brum, Liverpool, Sheffield then Leeds. As you say the thing is Manchester is far bigger but made up of so many small Mets, including Salford right in the central area.

When I last looked Liverpool was the third biggest after London and Birmingham, has it shrunk?

Bring back Woodhead!

Not sure does Liverpool have electric?

Yes we are well blessed with them around here both North Yorks and Derbyshire are easily within range http://www.ukcampsite.co.uk/ try there and you will find loads of places and useful reviews by people who have been. There are some good sites Matlock way, I'm thinking you are talking tents here wheras I use a van but the UK campsite site finder caters for both and lets you know which are quiet or adult only. HTH Oh and meant to say book asap, camping has taken off with the whole staycation thing grrr!

I'm a keen camper and I'm afraid what you are asking is just about impossible, I don't know of any campsite that will let you light a fire! And playing music well yes but not late at night and certainly not around a camp fire! Sites are organised and efficient businesses these days and yes regulated too so while you will find fairly peaceful ones and many adult only sites you won't get the other bits. Wild camping isn't encouraged anymore and in many places is illegal, you might just find a field in Derbyshire with a farmer okay about you camping there, but you are talking no facilities and yup we are in the does a bear sh*t in the woods area here! Best of luck but I think you may have to compromise some more!

Great must give it a try again, but notice they don't take cards now

Yup I've been a few times now and it's good and good value

Do you mean L'incontro? I've heard that is good.

Cheers, Wickersley perhaps?