Fordanglia

sorry mod this is my last post about this

now tell me anything racist about that post.... to elaborate and paraphrase the Nigerian historian Abiko Adele (Roots of the Black Diaspora , 1997) if I moved to Africa I could never be an African.Far from racist sentiments from a major speaker on third world rights. amongst all the longish words you gave yourself away son with the "you better make sure i dont meet you" line didnt you....like youre extremely dodgy line in another posts where you mention the Wybourn Wifebeaters (in the "whos the hardest thread"... a thread which just about sums you up) even for someone with your juvenile ideas about "hardness" a weird thing to say...and more pertinently even more of a coincidence with Rootsfi ..considering how he went on about wifebeating in his original post on here.Yeah youve got a lot in common.

if youve got your dictionary out why not look up how to spell definitely

think your find geez started off as London slang. If that's you on the picture isnt it a bit dodgy talking about "in the blood". And before I start don't try to call me a racist or anything just a realist who hates bull****. Getting involved in a north Vs south debate is pretty ridiculous for you as a black man... seeing as most northerners and southerners have got English blood and the small matter of 1500 years shared identity. Far more in common than youre ever gonna have with any of us. Not that that matters but you're the one whose slagging people off for being 'different' It'd be like me as a white going to America and sitting in New York slagging off Californian blacks...pretty pointless and probably unwelcome by both the east and west coast blacks. Put more simply everyone has disagreements with their families but very few want an outsider coming slagging off their own family members. Like youre doing. Being born in Sheffield with 2 yorkshire parents but spending 20 years down south, being married to a southern girl and living in working class communities in both I hate this ill informed crap. Finally 'geez' are you sure youre also not Rootsfi...bit of a coincidence aint it...youre both from Pitsmoor, both lived/living in Essex, and both probably of African-Caribbean descent going by your pictue/log-in names.

Read the post before you reply pal...he said "nice" part of High Green

unbelievable you go on about northern accents and a couple of sentences earlier use the word "geez" you couldnt speak more London if you tried! ive never heard anyone down south say that people from up here beat there wives...and if you go round essex of all places calling people soft-arsed im surprised you havent had your arse kicked!

The nice part of High Green....that says it all really... so why come on like their from the (inner city) streets then.Bloody hell they might as well come from Dore and be done with it!

most londoners think the world ends at around 20-30 mile radius from london! I still have memories of working with a london gang on a building site in the west country when our foreman went into a builders merchants down there and because they didnt have what he was after called them words to the effect that they were a bunch of carrot crunchers who didnt have a clue!

I can well believe this the whole idea of the arctic monkeys havent anything to do with real working class life could only ever be swallowed by middle class students. Anyone knows that 99% of the kids they say they represent are into hiphop, bassline, hard house etc and think that indie music of the kind the AM's make is stictly for the middle class students. Only an out of touch record biz exec could think otherwise. probably the nearest the Arctic Monkeys have come to a "riot van" (as on their LP) is watching an episode of the bill.

Interesting wikipedia article and obviously to say otley and wetherby is a part of the city of leeds is stupid on this principle London population would include the whole of the south of england! I would say pudsey definitely and morley maybe's inclusion would be a bit more justifiable as they are well and truly surrounded by the rest of leeds.

I agree with this and reached its limit of ridiculousness with an article on radio 5 about the largest place without a league football team. They said Wakefield with a population of i forget the exact figure but well over 2 or 300,000. This was obviously that of Wakefield district which includes towns like castleford and pontefract in the case of the former almost as big as wakefield itself and separated by at least 10 miles of clear country. And can you imagine what a castleford rugby league fan would say if you said castleford was part of the actual city of wakefield! Wakefields actual city population is around 65,000-70,000. This was quite annoying as we never got to here what was the largest town without a football league team...

i remember someone posing this question a while back and wondered if anyone came up with a definitive answer? ps sorry i couldnt find original thread but realise this might have to be merged with it

its far cleaner than leeds in my opinion. a few months ago i saw a feature on calendar or look north saying that sheffield spent more money on cleaning the streets/getting rid of wrecked cars etc than any other local authority in yorkshire and treating it as though it was something to be ashamed of....i would have thought it was something to be proud of

But isnt this the case for every place in Britain? Where i originally came from in the south east its definitely the case. If you're working class you'd speak with the local accent which on the fringes of London tends to be half-Londoner with a slight rural twinge to it but if you were middle class you'd speak with the more refined BBC version of English. ive been studying accents/dialects for about ten years now and in Leeds where I now live I would say there were 4 accents. *Received Pronunciation - now almost dead and probably spoken literally by the handful of old style aristocrats (Earl of Harewood i should imagine etc!). *A slightly less refined but still upper middle class/public school but definitely still Yorkshire accent if only given away by the short 'a' in 'grass' etc amonst all the 'supers' and 'splendids'. I heard a classic example of it at the cashpoint outside sainsburys in north leeds yesterday *educated Leeds - that spoken by those who have been to university/got A levels *broad Leeds = spoken by working-class people who possibly left school at 16 ps I apologise for using that outmoded expression 'class' but I think its still useful in some instances such as this.