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Perhaps if some of the pro-orthodoxers actually engaged with the point? I know it goes against their pro-mask views, but that is kind of the point with discussions, isn't it? If it is just ignored it will likely keep coming up, and, in that scenario, I for one would encourage Chekhov to keep posting it- if only because new people can always come into the thread. But bear in mind there are many neurotypes and you're not in a postion to say that what is easy to read for you is easy for them. Personally I have no issues with Chekhovs posts readability. The real issue here is that the boards 'quote'function is not that good, and is somewhat buggy. It is excrutiating trying to quote multiple times from a post several pages back, I have a lot of problems with it myself.

No- I'm ok with the video. Like I said it's the first one I came across, I watched it, she made good points. I know there are people out there who will knee-jerkedly attach a label of 'alt-right' to anyone who links to a video of someone they consider to be 'alt-right' speaking- as far as I'm concerned, that is their problem. I will always be more focused on the content of a person's words, rather than the imposed [mis?]-labels of others. Especially when said people routinely apply lables like 'anti-vaxxer', 'conspiracy theorist' [and now 'alt-right'] to people who are often none of those things, but are labelled purely because someone doesn't agree with what they are saying. As for giving 'air-time' to the wrong type, at the moment I'm far more focused on the rise in censorship of views that disagree- way too much of that going on. Finally, given the relative absence of left-wing voices opposing the measures, it is maybe inevitable that more right wing speakers will be 'getting air' as they seem to be the only one's speaking up against the measures. But, thanks for the heads-up.

It's tradition. That's the reason. Have you noticed that flyers, websites and other non traditional presentations of text use varying fonts and text colors/styles. It can be overdone, but, when done well, it aids readability. There is also much greater awareness of neurotype differences that can make standard blocks of uniform text difficult to read- use of the above can be useful there.

I had no idea it was Lauren Southern. Doesn't matter, I was just looking for an example of someone being critical of the tiktok dancing nurse phenomenon- if you actually bothered to look at the context of what I was replying to, you'd understand that. Yes, I've commented before on this thread concerning the fact that a high portion of those who question the official narrative also tend to be right wing and climate chance deniers. Personally I've been neither left nor right wing as I don't really go along with that type of thing, however, if pushed, I would previously have considered myself more akin to the left wingers, being a disability advocate, and, for various other reasons. However, during this covid measures crisis I've been deeply unimpressed with the Left's attitude- their lack of resistance to the more suppressionist measures, and, more especially, their support of them and the horrific levels of censorship [which I now see is, historically common with left wing regimes]. And while I'm no fan of the tories, I'm currently feeling very fortunate that they were in power during this, because if it was Labour, we'd likely have the suppressionist measures for the next few years. None of this makes me right wing, or alt-right, though I expect you will continue to gleefully mislabel me as such- I'm simply anti-suppressionist measures.

To provide balance I'll mention that personally I have no problems whatsoever with reading Chekhovs posts with regard to fonts and colors. The repetitiveness is necessary, due to the apparently brief/transcient attention span of many pro-orthodox narrative supporters, who, for example, even if they briefly acknowledge the existence of people harmed by the 'measurse' [in terms of economic destruction, loss of jobs, mental health issues, harm from being denied medical access etc] or studies showing the harms of compulsory masking outweigh the benefits; it is all quickly forgotten. But lots do ['lots' being proportionate to the small number of people actively reading this thread]. Maybe stop whining about them then?

Equally, many have been totally disgusted by it. Just one example- Always amazing how the politician crumbles when exposed to someone with a functioning brain Notice the total inability to actually engage with the points being made, other than to just repeat the 'we've consulted the best experts.....' etc I concur- it's part of why I got involved, I hate to see groups of the weak-minded trying to pass off ad-hominem attacks as 'debate' and relying on force of numbers to make up for lack of insight. I think so- it's slow, but I think more people are seeing through the official narrative. Still somewhat overshadowed by the sheer numbers who fell into line without question and, not only went along with what they were told to do, but actively harrassed anyone who didn't- that I've found really disturbing. Along with the total one-sided view and the total selfishness displayed towards those who have been victims of the alleged 'measures' i.e. those who've lost jobs/careers/businesses, sucumbed to mental illness, died/suffered through not receiving basic medical care/screenings etc, etc.

You didn't ask, you made a comment. Do you have an issue with me being open about being autistic?

You are absolutely obsessed with conspiracy theories and seem to see them wherever there is a person disagreeing with you! I have of course suggested nothing of the kind. I spoke about the fact that decision makers in the NHS in conjunction with government decision makers, decided to close many areas of the NHS to patients. This included a lot of cancer screenings and a lot of routine appointments. It was well documented throughout, with numerous front page medai reports addressing the numbers of people who were unable to get routine cancer screenings and suffered as a result. If you feel it requires a conspiracy theory to explain... well it just shows how far gone you are.

Any chance of you addressing your ableist comments instead of trying to drag attention away onto trivialities!

It was inevitable. I pointed out many pages back that the NHS was almost certain to be overwhelmed in coming weeks, not by the virus, but by the obsessive testing and consequent need for thousands of NHS who are not remotely ill to stay off work. The suggestion did not go down well amongst the pro-orthodox narrative people, but, since that, it has become apparent that omicron is much milder than the previous covid. As I said at the time, omicron is much more infectious- most people, and therefore most people working in the NHS, are going to get it. If the current testing and isolation requirements aren't seriously modifed, the NHS will fail- brought down, not by the virus, but by the over-reaction to the virus.

Typical ableist attitude The point is that these detours are totally unecessary and are nothing more than pathetic covid virtue signalling that should no longer be happening.

The irony! Throughout your long period of obbsessive [mis] labeling of anyone who questions the official narrative as being 'conspiracy theorists' and your long list of characteristics of said 'conspiracy theorists', you're remained blissfully unaware that the majority of said characteristics are in fact evident in those on both sides of the argument, and especiallyin yourself. To be fair, the nurses in question didn't have the option of treating patients- those much higher up in the decision making processes had decreed that the service would be out of bounds to patients- recall the huge numbers of people who coildn't access cancer screenings and standard appointments during that time. The nurses were bored out of their minds and the dances were something to do. Atrocious of course, and deeply harmful to all those patients denied treatment, but, the responsibility wasn't the nurses, but those decision makers high up in the NHS and the ministers who put those blocks in place. 'Resurrect'??? It's a matter of historical fact that patients died [not necessarily at the time, but through missed cancer screenings etc] whilst nurses danced on social media [not blaming the nurses- see above post]. It was a visible sign of the huge mistakes being made at the time, and, hopefully, it will continue to be highlighted, in order that humanity can learn from such mistakes so as to not make them again the next time a highly infectious virus appears. Shame on those so attached to their own agenda that they aspire to cover such things up by attaching labels like 'resurrect' to discourage people from bringing them up when relevent.

Here is your post.

TBH I think they'll be doing a fair bit of planning and budgeting for covid too So the point remains, anyone accusing people who choose not to get the vaccine of 'clogging up the NHS', in order to be consistent, need also to be accusing the obese [and several other groups]. You can't. To my knowledge there are zero 'covid deniers' on this thread; just people being critical of the official narratvie. melthebell, however, has his/her own definition of 'covid denier' which is compatible with a 'covid denier' not denying the existence of covid?!? Basically, anyone who disagrees with the official narrative, in melthebells eyes, is a covid denier.

As as been pointed out a tedious number of times, it is an invalid argument. Unless the same stance is taken against obese people, skydivers etc, etc. You're zero evidence for that outrageous claim. Vaccinated people have died of covid, so 'if she had been vaccinated she'd still be alive' is clearly not necessarily true. We've got at least one regular poster from France here. What does 'The NHS was resourced for obesity,' mean??

Your point is? Plenty of vaccinated people have also died of covid; why is no one posting their obituaries? Is the idea along the lines of 'if only she'd been vaccinated......'? Is it to point a finger and imply 'stupid'?

I think that's a good comparison- omicron is akin to flu. Both are generally harmless, but some people do die with it. Generally those who are towards the end of their lives or those with relevant serious underlying conditions. We can't stop either of them as they are highly contagious.

And???? Omicron is highly contagious, of course numbers of infected in hospitals will be going up- that's the nature of highly infectious agents. I predict it will continue to rise. Luckily it's not particularly harmful, otherwise there might be a problem. Absolutely.

Just to be clear- trying to distinguish between numbers in hospital because of covid from those in hospital for non-covid reasons who just happen to test positive, is, in your eyes 'just can kicking'.

No idea. Why would you assume I know?

What percentage are in because of covid, versus in for other reasons but just happened to test positive when admitted?

You guys reject the sources that he himself respects, so zero point in him citing them. However, you guys respect the establishment sources, so no surprise that when they back him up he'll post them- doesn't mean he's sold out in any sense, he's simply supplying stuff you can't reject out of hand on the basis that it is 'unreputable' or whatever other criteria you use to dismiss uncomfartable facts. Rather slimy of you, IMO, to attempt to imply that he's being disingenius in any way.

TheDaddy is right- zero long term testing data for the covid19 vaccines. Might not matter to most, but it does remain a fact. Another difference with covid is the unusual degree of vaccine coercion for a virus of this type- with people having to leave certain jobs if they refuse, and, in some countries, making the vaccines compulsory.

He agrees with both chekhov and me that 'errors that included the imposition of a long-lasting, national lockdown. This is a strategy that Woolhouse – one of the country’s leading epidemiologists – describes as morally wrong and highly damaging' Also clearly agrees with both chekhov and me that the response to covid was basically insane- see the title of his book- 'The Year the World Went Mad: A Scientific Memoir' https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jan/02/britain-got-it-wrong-on-covid-long-lockdown-did-more-harm-than-good-says-scientist

Like I've said before, anyone who raises a question about vaccines, or is remotely critical about any single aspect of vaccines, is labeled as an 'anti-vaxxer'. Pathetic. Now we seem to be getting to the point where anybody who is not rabidly positive about every single aspect of vaccines, is labelled as 'anti-vaxx'. Even people who oppose compulsory vaccinations, despite them having had vaccines, are often labelled as 'anti-vaxxers'.