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That is only those who bothered to turn out for Cameron’s referendum. That’s not really rejecting remaining in the EU, given that before, during and after the referendum, the majority of our citizens wish to remain. By your logic, Labour should not be allowed to stand in the upcoming election because it was rejected in 2017. 🙄

According to Noel Gallagher, Bono can drink him and Steven Morrissey under the table. I always thought that he was a teetotal Xtian! 😵

With less than a week to go, I haven’t seen a single Brexit event advertised anywhere in South Yorkshire. In an area which voted to leave the EU, I find that surprising. And wasn’t the Royal Mint supposed to be striking a commemorative Brexit 50p coin? What’s going on?

Was it? How do you conclude that? 🤣

CBT is sometimes used for coping with severe pain.

That is highly unlikely given that Remain is now somewhere between 6 and 10 points ahead of Leave, most Remainers who didn’t vote in 2016 will definitely vote in another referendum and a number of Leave voters will refuse to partake in another referendum. Strathclyde University’s John Curtice, the ‘polling guru’ said earlier this year that it isn’t outside the realm of possibility that in another referendum, Remain could win with 65-70% of the vote. Brexiteers reluctance over another referendum has nothing to do with democracy and everything to do with knowing that they got lucky in 2016 and fluked it.

You have to include Bozo in that too. Throwing the DUP into the Irish Sea and pandering to the crackpot ERG wing of his party for a harder Brexit, was largely to please Farage and his merry band. This has led to 30% of Farage supporters now supporting Bozo’s Brexit strategy. If we have an early election Farage will be nowhere to be seen, as a split ‘Leave’ vote will spell the end of Brexit.

Not really that many nor that varied. Only three reasons made up over 90% of the reasons for voting Leave. Way out in front was immigration with sovereignty and payments to the EU coming second and third. Interestingly ‘giving a message to out of touch politicians’ was given as their main reason by less than 3% of Leave voters. Brexiters need to own the fact that immigration was the main reason for voting leave and they also need to own their part in the increase in racism and intolerance generally in the UK. Would the appalling scenes at the Haringey-Yeovil Town game last week have occurred if the Brexit vote hadn’t given these people a licence to be more openly racist?

I know a few people who have sleeping problems and none of them are prescribed sleeping pills. As geared has pointed out, sleeping problems are a symptom of deeper issues and just doling out very addictive benzodiazepines is no more effective than giving strong painkillers to someone with bad gall stones without tackling the root cause of their pain. My understanding is that cognitive behavioural therapy is very effective in these situations, but unfortunately NHS therapy services are in very short supply and a couple of people I know have ended up going private! 😳

I think that most of them do.

Do solar panels need maintenance? My sister has had them for 15 years and the only maintenance she has ever done is hosing leaves off them in the autumn and hosing dust off them in the summer.

A much under debated point. Even Leave supporters have accepted that Brexit will damage the UK economy and there will be no sunny uplands. So were many of them simply throwing their toys out of the pram or was there a real expectation that things would get better and what was that based on? Most Leave supporters I talked to in 2016 didn’t really know what the EU was, had absolutely no understanding of the economics of EU membership and as was discussed at length earlier, their primary concerns in the referendum were ‘too many immigrants’ and ‘foreigners telling us what to do’. How on earth did these people think that their lives would improve?

Not one of your better political arguments lol 😂

I did. The people of Barnsley who voted Leave are not the people of Barnsley.

Where did I say that?

What a bizarre idea you have of people’s motivations! 😳

I have always said that you are top comedy value. 🤣😂🤣 A middle-class Trotskyist with a ‘working-class fetish’. Try reading more Marx and Lenin and less Trotsky and Mao, and probably try and meet some real working class people! 👍

Are you seriously suggesting that the majority of working class leave voters in Barnsley didn’t vote leave because of immigration? Maybe you could enlighten us who you think they did vote leave.

Labour can’t please both Leave and Remain supporters so it has to make a choice. Common sense says that it should back the majority of its supporters (Remainers) which will probably mean abandoning its Leave supporters to Farage, the Tories or abandoning voting altogether. There is evidence that shows that these losses will be more than made up by support gained from Lib Dem/Green/other non-Labour Remain supporters. Trying to appeal to sections of the working class who are more concerned about immigration than workers’ rights, especially as these make up the minority of Labour supporters makes no sense whatsoever a well as being morally questionable.

You seem to forget that the majority of Labour supporters voted too remain.

I think that you will find it is more than just one or two. Some of the most reactionary views on Brexit have been from interviews done with the people of Barnsley. Let’s not forget the guy in the barber shop interviewed on Look North the day after the referendum who said “Great news! Now when are we going to get rid of the effing immigrants?” I know a load of people who still think that when we leave the EU, all non-white people will have to leave. If Car Boot thinks that he is going to build a revolution with the help of the dumbest, most racist and reactionary section of the working class he is in for a shock.

Interestingly, Stephen Kinnock voted against the deal, after spending the past month telling anyone who would listen that he would vote for any Brexit bill proposed.

Ironically for the Labour MPs who supported this deal thinking that they would save their seats, they will now hopefully all be deselected, particularly those who voted against May’s ‘softer Brexit’ who now think that it is OK to support Bozo’s ‘harder Brexit’.

The very rich are rubbing their hands. They stand to benefit most from Brexit.

So you are advocating a referendum for all registered voters but only offering options supported by a minority of those voters. You do realise how bonkers that sounds, don’t you?