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Top Cats Hat

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  1. No, we all put money into the pot and it is redistributed. That usually means that rich countries are net contributors and poorer countries are net beneficiaries. What's wrong with that?
  2. Not sure how commercially successful this will be. Most people flying to Oz or New Zealand want to go to Melbourne, Sydney or Auckland. To do that from Perth will be another 5-6 hours flying (+transfer time). Much as a lovely city Perth is, anyone wanting to fly to a less isolated part of the region may as well fly the old route via Singapore or Hong Kong, which won't take any longer and gives you the chance to stretch your legs, have a fag and a noodle breakfast on the way. (No, it's a Boeing 787 which has been reconfigured for a 17 hour flight)
  3. Partly from our contribution but if we decide to spend that entire contribution on the NHS then we will have to raise to money for infrastructure projects from general taxation. (and we will need to find money for more infrastructure projects if we need to start building customs posts and lorry parks!)
  4. Total control for who? It certainly won't be you, me or anyone posting on this thread!
  5. You do know that people voted Brexit for different reasons, don't you? You may have voted for racist/xenophobic reasons but others voted because they feared a European superstate, some because they ran businesses and preferred not to be bound by health and safety regulations, some because they didn't like the European Court of Justice, some because they saw business opportunities in the chaos that would result from leaving, some because they were just fed up and wanted change, any change. A mate of mine even voted to leave because he knew it would end up screwing the Tories. Like I said, lots of different reasons. Well if it no longer comes from the EU it will have to come from general taxation.
  6. a) the net figure was closer to £250 million when rebates were taken into account so there was never £350 to give to anything. b) it wasn't given away, it was our contribution to the EU pot, millions of which we got back as investment in infrastructure projects. So there was never £350 million to spend on the NHS and even if we did give the whole £250 million to the NHS we would then have to find millions to replace the lost EU infrastructure funding. So yes, it was a lie and was the reason that many people voted to leave.
  7. As an indication that a significant minority are unhappy with the EU.
  8. We are not talking about how many people voted or didn't vote. We are discussing the amount of people who actually support Brexit. Does it not trouble you in the slightest that the biggest step the UK is making since 1939, is being taken without the support of the majority of it's citizens?
  9. Not true. Those eligible to vote and voted leave was 38% Again not true. Those who voted to leave as a percentage of the population was 26% And again not true. As above, those in the voting population who voted leave was 38% None of the above figures even reach 40% never mind above 50% which is what is generally accepted as being the majority. So even by your own revised statement, the majority did not by any stretch of the imagination vote to leave. Trying to claim that Brexit is 'the will of the people' is complete nonsense, whichever way you look at it.
  10. Given that every credible economic source says that the UK leaving the EU will lead to the loss of a ton of business, maybe we should be asking you 'why would you love the UK losing business?'
  11. No need to. I was responding to the claim that 'more than half the country', supported Brexit. (and we both know that even taking only eligible voters into consideration, it still means that less than 40% voted for Brexit!)
  12. No they aren't. For at least the last two decades it has been cheaper to fly to most European destinations than catch a train to Glasgow from London. And the cost of basics are significantly lower in most EU countries. My uncle has just spent the winter months in Portugal because his arthritis is badly affected by our cold and damp winter climate. A flight to Faro and a cheap apartment for three months is actually cheaper than having his heating on all day and every day in Sheffield. And the cost of living is so cheap where he stayed that there are no cooking facilities in his apartment. It is cheaper to eat out every night than cook at home. So no, definitely not a luxury by any stretch of the imagination.
  13. Brextremists having trouble with their maths again. UK population is 66,500,000 Brexit voters numbered 17,500,00 17.5/66.5 x 100 = 26%. So just over a quarter of the country voted for Brexit. Just under three quarters of the country didn't.
  14. Fishing is a side issue in as much as it represents only a tiny fraction of the UK's GDP and it is not that desperate to hold on to it because it hasn't given anything much away in exchange. That idiot Farage throwing haddock into the Thames is doing nothing other than making the UK look foolish abroad. What Brextremists conveniently ignore is how incredibly weak the UK's bargaining position is. When turkeys vote for Xmas and then go to negotiate with the farmer about the method of execution, the farmer will hardly bend over backwards to concede to their demands for better food and cosier hen houses. The EU is hanging onto fishing because it can, and without having to concede a great deal to do it. In the months to come this will be seen to apply to many aspects of the negotiations.
  15. Unfortunately fishing is one of the knee jerk issues for Brextremists, like immigration, selling fruit & veg by the lb, bent bananas and sovereignty (or 'make Britain back British' as once so eloquently put by an EDL supporter.) EU 'stay or go', is ultimately an economic argument. Very few people on either side of the debate have even a basic grasp of economics. What should trouble everyone is that people and organisations who actually do understand economics are all with one voice saying that the UK leaving the EU is a) going to be very bad and b) is going to hit the poorest of us hardest. No one in the leave camp is saying anything about the prospects for the UK fishing industry other than a vague hope that leaving the EU will be a good thing for our fishermen. And sometimes I think that a lot of the more passionate leavers don't actually care as long as their dream of an EU free Britain comes true. The most likely outcome for UK fishing is that the cost of that extra freedom to fish when and where it pleases will be more than offset by no longer being in a customs union so will have a smaller market reduced further by whatever tariffs end up being levied on British fish sales. So I get a distinct whiff of hypocrisy when I hear Brextremists getting all angsty when people say that fishing is a side issue when looking at the whole picture, because I suspect they don't know and care even less about the future of our fishing industry as long as they get to stick two fingers up to the rest of Europe.
  16. Really? Most forecasts, even the optimistic ones, say the economic downturn will hit heavily leave voting areas first and hardest. Are you seriously suggesting all those people will continue to see Brexit as a good thing?
  17. In which case why, among the loudest voices in favour of leaving the EU were The right wing of the Conservative Party UKIP The Democratic Unionist Party The BNP Britain First The EDL Nigel Farage Donald Trump Kate Hoey all pro-capitalist, anti-working class individuals and organisations.
  18. There were two or three of these Google Earth stories every day in the weeks after the plane first went missing, many using Google Earth images which were taken months or even years before the disappearance.
  19. I think you'll find that's called capitalism. It existed before the EU and will continue after it. If anything, the EU has tempered the worst excesses of capitalism whether it meant to or not. The UK economy will be so weakened by leaving the EU that we will end up doing all sorts of nasty deals with all sorts of nasty people to keep our heads above water. Anyone who thinks Brexit will benefit working people needs to give their head a serious wobble!
  20. Their own platform is a dull, badly made website which seems to be all about begging people for money and a petition to free the two idiots jailed last week. I suspect that their facebook page got a shed load more traffic than that ever did. As I said earlier, the far right now seems to just exist as a bunch of facebook pages all sharing the same fake news and badly photoshopped images!
  21. The far right used to exist as a physical force phenomenon, marching, selling newspapers, physically attacking people for their race or sexuality and sustained harassment like putting dog faeces through the letterboxes of Asian shopkeepers. If you look at their recent activity (the last decade or so) they have found it increasingly difficult to mobilise more than a handful of badly dressed, sad looking sociopaths to any of their public events. This is largely down to the explosion in social media. The only part of the far right which has had any sustained success at getting people out on the streets is the EDL and that is because they are organised along the lines of football hooliganism and their demos are very much sold as social events rather than political actions. But even they have relied almost exclusively on social media (mainly Facebook) for their mobilisation. So yes, on the balance of things it is probably better that these idiots are not allowed access to facebook. Given their reliance on it to recruit and mobilise, repeatedly breaking facebook rules is a particularly dumb way to behave when they have no obvious plan B.
  22. The guy was bigger than and worth so much more than a meaningless bauble. He did well to make it to the age he did with his very rare form of motor neurone disease.
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