MidgetSaw

It would appear that if something looks like a chicken, sounds like a chicken and smells like a chicken, it may not actually be a chicken until we've confirmed that it doesn't identify as a mongoose... ---------- Post added 14-11-2017 at 12:11 ---------- If he was singling out the person and repeatedly bullying them for their choice, then that is wrong. If it's a genuine mistake, then it's very harsh! We had a gender fluid person working with us who had a deep, male voice and some days dressed male, some days dressed female, although they identified mainly as female. It was hard not to call them 'him' or 'dude' (which I call most males). Nothing malicious was meant and we actually got on really well. But it is a difficult situation to change your mndset instantly. It's like those brain teaser puzzles where you will be given the name of a colour, but it's written in a different colour...

So, i see the church has now stepped in and is happy to allow drag-queens to promote gender choice to our primary school children...

So you're saying that men are paid more purely for having a penis, regardless of how they identify??? Do we drill down further... the man with the biggest one gets the job? And of course, if it's cheaper to employ women to do the same job, why wouldn't you employ women and save money? A bit like the European workers being paid less... it makes sense...

The problem is, as soon as you say 'I was never told...' you get shut down with 'male privilege' which means that your argument is invalid simply for being male. And this is where the gender-fluidity bit falls down. If i start claiming i'm female, absolutely nothing will happen to my salary. My employer won't look at that and think they can pay me less... of it's so great being a man, why doesn't everyone just identify as male? That way they'll be paid more and never be sexually assaulted etc. Of course, if it's OK to pay women less for doing the same job as a man, only women would be employed... right? As i've said before, the only people that seem to tell women what they can and can't do is other women... generally feminists.

A thought has just occurred to me... If, as the media would have us believe, we live in a world filled with toxic masculinity, why would anyone want to identify as male? Does it mean that if a female identifiea as male one day, do they instantly become toxic and suffer all of the sins that brings with it?

Lots of people think and come up with things... That's why we're in this potential mess - instead of doing something constructive, someone thought 'you know what the world needs, more division and political correctness'. And here we are...

I didn't think sexual attraction was linked to gender. Being gay is different to being attracted to someone blonde. Homosexuality is genetics, having a 'type' is learned.

Yes, 'social construct' etc. etc. 'Fluid' = doesn't perform the same behaviours all the time etc. etc. But, those behaviours are still either male or female behaviours. Going for a wee - to stand or to sit? There isn't, gender-wise, a third option, unless you claim that needing a colostomy bag is now a gender because it requires neither male or female traits to perform...

So Google only mentions 2 genders - male and female - and if you add 'fluid' that means to move between those two genders and their behaviours?? Interesting. So what we're saying is, no matter how many supposed genders people claim there are, they can still only consist of male and female behaviours? It's almost as if there really are only 2 genders and the rest are on the scale in between...

My partner used to say how wishy-washy and left-wing i was when it came to certain matters. I used to support the open-borders idea as immigration wasn't that big an issue and we, as humans should all just get along and be free to move where we like. Over the last couple of years i've changed my attitude because of certain incidents here, and globally. I'm not comparing the gender-neutral debate to terrorism in it's extremity, just simply that if you continue to allow the 'needs' of the minority to overrule the needs of the majority, we begin to lose democracy. People should be allowed to live life how they wish, but unfortunately that means that someone is going to be disapppinted and unhappy. If there was a vote regarding the gender-neutral toilets and the vote didn't go my way, so be it, the majority have spoken and i will accept that as i support democracy... but that's not what's happening.

I'm not saying not to care! What i'm saying is that the world isn't able to pander to the 'needs' of absolutely everyone's individual circumstances.

Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting a tomato in a fruit salad...

Yes, it's 'fine'... but i don't want to have to be queueing for ages to use the loo simply because the urinals have been ripped out in favour of cubicals. Cubicals take up more room, so there'd be less toilets. You might see it as selfish, but if it's easier and quicker to use a urinal/trough then why change it? Unless we're going to introduce urinals for women... ---------- Post added 09-11-2017 at 10:40 ---------- I thought we lived in a democracy where majority rules. If we're changing things to suit a minority for fear of discrimination, doesn't that make a mockery of what we stand for? Why are we going through Brexit? Because the majority voted to leave. I didn't, but i came to terms with it long ago. So now we have a minority who feel that their vooce should be louder than the majority's?

OK... i should have said 'some'. But someone is calling for gender-neutral toilets because they now have them in some places. I saw one at a company i visited recently. On GMB this morning, they had 2 trans people on talking about New Look having gender-neutral changing rooms - one was for them, one was against them. So even within that community there is division.

Haven't personally got a problem with that - there's not a lot to look at anyway. But it seems it's the non-binary people who are calling for the segregation, for whatever reason. I knew a gender-fluid person (male identifying as female) who was happy to use female toilets in a pub and didn't feel the need for gender-neutral toilets.