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On 20/02/2024 at 19:44, Planner1 said:So basically you didn’t observe the signs that told you a bus gate was ahead and it’s the council’s fault?
What would you have them do? Provide several turning facilities in case someone blocks one?
The only sign-age I noticed is just before the hotel. Even GSM does not show any sign-age until you approach Novotel. The road makes it clear only the left hand lane is a bus-gate until you approach Novotel.
The answer is simple. Lets make these £5 Million pound rackateers illegal.
https://www.thestar.co.uk/business/arundel-gate-sheffield-bus-gate-divides-opinion-4406205
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The only sign-age I noticed is just before the hotel. Even GSM does not show any sign-age until you approach Novotel.
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For obvious reasons I do not venture into Sheffield City Centre unless it is absolutely necessary. Unfortunately yesterday was one of those days
I was driving along Arundel Gate and just past the roundabout is now a bus-gate? Because of a coach blocking the hotel u-turn i had to reverse back into the crossing to manoeuvre onto other-side of the road. This planning is beyond absurd.
The new architecture in all cities is mostly appalling. But those apartments on Pinstone Street are IMO the most hideous. I'm all for trying new wacky designs but these monstrosities!? Who in their right would approve these?
I was defensive of the council when they bulldozed an old Victorian pub. Now I see why so many folk wanted to save it.
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2 minutes ago, 26b-6 said:edit
the newspaper's source is from Centre-For-Cities. A well respected research group used by urban-planners.
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/41122/pdf/
Still waiting to hear who all these Leeds folk are envious of Sheffield's tram system.?
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On 07/02/2024 at 10:26, ECCOnoob said:Pretty weak source . A three year old hatchet job from some trash web newspaper very selectively quoting out of a think tank opinion report that doesn't just talk about Sheffield but lots of other cities.
I agree the tram system doesn't go everywhere and could do more, but, every time they even mention some proposal there's always a good part of the population shouting them down, crying about the disruption it would cause, crying about how it will affect businesses, crying about how many nurses it could pay for....
On last stats it still served 8.4 million passengers according to the DFT and it's passenger numbers previously reached as high as 15 million. Can't be that much of a joke because somebody is clearly using it.
I think it quite obvious Leeds is showing some envy over not having a tram. They'd been trying to push through plans and obtain funding for once since the 1970s, but suddenly had a rush of activity and failed proposals throughout the 1990s / early 2000s (which coincidentally was around the time that Sheffield supertram opened). Even today, their regional mayor is making political pledges that the city will get their own "amazing tram system"
Makes a nice change for once for us to have something they don't.
the newspaper's source is from Centre-For-Cities. A well respected research group used by urban-planners.
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/41122/pdf/
Still waiting to hear all these Leeds folk are envious of Sheffield's tram system.?
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On 07/02/2024 at 13:13, Planner1 said:If you weren’t there, and haven’t discussed it with the people involved, you can’t really say what alternative locations were available, or why they didn’t use them.
As mentioned before, the CEO’s have to consider their own safety and position their vehicle accordingly.
Personally I think this debate has been done to death and I can’t see why it’s being dragged up again, months later.
There is plenty of other options but that isn't the point. Dangerously parking in a cycle lane over the pavement and on a corner is never acceptable.
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On 07/02/2024 at 13:44, Andy_terrier said:I think the person videoing them was being antagonistic if I am honest - probably one of the many upstanding citizens enjoying the myriad of fine hostelries in the area
Obviously they were trying to wind the PCO (is that right?) up but its not like they engineered the scene before they got there!
In the video they're young, hooded and black which some folk do find intimidating. But I did not hear any of them raise their voice or swear? All I can hear is them ask if her parking so obstructively is acceptable.
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On 07/02/2024 at 13:44, Andy_terrier said:I think the person videoing them was being antagonistic if I am honest - probably one of the many upstanding citizens enjoying the myriad of fine hostelries in the area
Obviously they were trying to wind the PCO (is that right?) up but its not like they engineered the scene before they got there!
In the video they're young, hooded and black which some folk do find intimidating. But I did not hear any of them raise their voice or swear? All I can hear is them ask if her parking so obstructively is acceptable.
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The council may have been able to do more and save this building but TBF....
there is an abundance of old Victorian pubs and most do not have special architectural and historic interest.
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On 15/11/2023 at 09:55, Planner1 said:How does it lag behind on transport?
Congestion is no worse than anywhere else.
Sheffield has had a tram system for over 20 years. People compare Sheffield unfavourably with Leeds but they have failed in 3 attempts to get a tram system. They look on us with envy.
Museums? I think ours compare favourably with those in similar size cities.
As others are saying, some of the issue is geographical location, I’d say our location near larger cities such as Leeds and Manchester doesn’t do us any favours when looking to attract inward investment. Many seem to think we should be doing as well as those cities, but they are considerably bigger in terms of the populations of the city regions, so they get more government money and can often attract bigger investments.
My thought is, what is our unique selling point? The outdoor city? Is that going to attract the major investments people seem to think we need?
Poor public transport costing Sheffield £2.3billion a year
https://www.examinerlive.co.uk/news/local-news/poor-public-transport-costing-sheffield-22045790
The tram system is beyond a joke. It only covers a fraction of the city and holds up traffic, buses and is a major dangerous obstacle for cyclists .
Who are these Leeds folk envious of Sheffield's tram system ?
Sheffield geography and location is also an advantage not an hindrance.
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Thanks for all your posts.
Yes city centres change. Yes physical retail is dying everywhere. However this is why Sheffield has a head-start! Because it's NEVER had a great retail offering. It has a very few listed buildings. This is a blank canvas to do something original and different.
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On 15/11/2023 at 09:29, Planner1 said:Why you dragging up 3 month old posts on subjects that have been done to death?
Feeling bored? Got a parking ticket?
Drivers are allowed to stop on double yellow lines, for example to pick up and set down passengers or load and unload (when permitted). So, simply stopping on one is not considered inherently unsafe, it’s just undesirable to have vehicles parked there all the time. That’s why the restriction is there.
As I understand it, for obstruction to be enforced, someone actually has to be seen to be obstructed, ie they can’t get past the vehicle. The police usually apply the double buggy test on footways, if a double buggy can get past the vehicle on the footway, it’s not considered to be potentially causing obstruction.
No one is obstructed in that video and it can be plainly seen that pedestrians can easily get past the vehicle on the footway and motorists and cyclists can pass on the road. There is no obstruction.
If you don’t understand that for reasons of practicality and safety, in order to enforce against motorists who park inappropriately or in contravention of a restriction, CEO’s sometimes have to park in less than ideal locations, there’s no reasoning with you. There isn’t always somewhere they can park “legally” and safely. Most people understand and accept that this is a reasonable way of working. To my knowledge every local council in the country works that way. It isn’t practical any other way.
Why does posting on old threads bother you? Or is it something else been exposed which irks you....
Even a blind-person can see the dangers. If you believe parking in a cycle lane and pavement on a dangerous corner on a busy city street is acceptable and causing no obstructions, then you should not be driving either.
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Sheffield lags so far behind many other UK cities and towns in almost every measurable area, planning, innovativeness, transport, museums, urbanism, pocket-parks, architecture, new businesses start ups, street-art and so on....
Whom, why and what do think makes this town so far behind other places?
On the plus side though Sheffield City Trust appear progressive, Sheffield's westerly suburbs are interesting and it's close proximity to the peak district is appealing.
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Its impossible to prove where beggars money is actually spent. However, I do believe almost all beggars are begging for drugs. I'm not judging them, but whilst ever you are facilitating an addiction there is little motive to seek help and get clean.
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They're are plenty of apps which can fake bus-payments.
I don't see the point in keeping the current Sheffield bus-service. It isn't fit for purpose. Disabled folk should have subsidised taxi-fares and everyone else subsidised bicycles. And to encourage more cycling bus lanes could easily become segregated cycle only lanes.
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On 22/08/2023 at 09:24, Planner1 said:That’s correct. Look at the video. No one was obstructed, no cyclists went past, no one was endangered. Roads were quiet. Few people around.
It is not reasonable in my view to expect the CEO’s to park in a private sector car park and incur unnecessary expense and delay to their work. As I have explained to you, having the vehicle close by in order to make a rapid exit is an important safety consideration in enforcement operations. Parking in the multi storey would not achieve this, so is a non starter in my view.
It was you who brought up the ridiculous comparisons with the emergency services in the first place.
There are reasonable comparisons with the emergency services, who are also exempted from compliance with traffic regulations when using vehicles in the course of their duties, just like CEO’s are.
I don’t have to try harder. The CEO’s were doing nothing wrong under the current regulatory setup. They are allowed to park where they parked. As I said earlier, take your complaints to the government if you don’t like it.
Even a blind-person can see Sheffield parking Services was causing obstructions. Explain how parking on double yellows, over a curb, on a dangerous corner and in a cycle lane does not endanger peoples lives? Why do you think we have such road infrastructure?
There are no grounds for parking so dangerously and inconsiderately. This applies to all motorists, even Sheffield Parking Services!
On 22/08/2023 at 08:14, HeHasRisen said:"Parking Services should spend taxpayers money needlessly by parking in private multi storey car parks".
Send them your bank details mate so you can foot the bill personally for this, cheers.
You mean like most other motorists do?
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4 hours ago, Irene Swaine said:All a load of pony & trap. I will continue going about my life, un-masked, un-jabbed and un-afraid.
OMG You MUST ‘Stay at Home’ and ‘Wear your mask’ Your common sense approach to life is responsible for millions of deaths.
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15 hours ago, Irene Swaine said:They need to get fining those parking on the pavement and on bicycle lanes. That will bring in some revenue.
AFIK Parking Wardens do not issue PCN's to themselves.
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On 20/08/2023 at 11:22, Planner1 said:The vehicle in the video isn’t obstructing anyone. Perhaps if you had some understanding of the application of the law on obstruction you might not make ridiculous claims.
The vehicle has it’s wheels on the kerb only. The vast majority of the footway is unobstructed.
When enforcing obstruction, the Police usually apply the “double buggy test” ie could someone pushing a double buggy along get past the vehicle without going into the road. The CEO’s understand this very well.
The police regularly force entry into premises in the course of their duty, so that argument doesn’t hold water. Would you be upset with the Fire Service for damaging your property with water when putting out the fire at your house?
You may have a moral objection to CEO’s breaking the rules to enforce, that’s fine.
It’s been explained to you why the CEO’s have to break the rules sometimes in order to do their job. It’s also been explained to you what happens when there’s no threat of enforcement.
Many places are fully parked up for long periods of the day. The CEO’s would not be able to enforce there safely or effectively if they couldn’t park their vehicle anywhere near.
Is that what you want? Zero or very little enforcement?
What they are doing is within the rules that every council in the country apply. If you want to change the rules, you need to direct your complaints to the government, who set up the legislative framework within which councils operate.
Their vehicle isn't causing any obstruction? So no consequences for other folk who park on this corner, over a curb and block a cycle lane? If you believe this then just like those Parking-Wardens - you're not safe to drive either. The Q-Park regularly has ample parking spaces. Just checked on their website. But even if it was full. It isn't a justifiable excuse for Parking Wardens or any motorist. As the video demonstrates. The only folk who need enforcement are the Parking Wardens.
The Police (usually) do not burgle homes, just like the fire-service do not usually start fires. Both will force entry for emergencies such as saving lives or for arresting dangerous criminals. Totally different circumstances. Try harder next time.
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Sneaky traffic warden caught framing motorist by moving cone - Daily Mail
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDQ73vDYaBo
https://www.appealnow.com/scams/
Traffic wardens issue 'dodgy' parking tickets to meet 'targets'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-24194533
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10 hours ago, Planner1 said:Most motorists comply with restrictions because they don’t want to get a penalty.
If you take away the threat of enforcement, things rapidly descend into chaos, as they found out in this town.
Whether you like it or not, the only way that enforcement can be carried out effectively, means that the enforcement officers occasionally have to park their vehicle in contravention of a restriction. Every local authority does it that way. I know of none who insist that their staff only park in compliant locations.
You’re being plainly ridiculous when you claim that it’s mostly Parking Services who contravene restrictions. Strange how they seem to find thousands of motorists to ticket isn’t it?
Have a look at this if you want some examples of poor parking in Sheffield. Strangely enough, I don’t see any Parking Services vehicles on there.
The only vehicle in the video dangerously parked on a corner, in a cycle lane, over the curb causing obstructions to pedestrians, mobilty scooter users and other motorists is SCC Parking Services! And you defend this behaviour by the very people who are supposed to be leading by example!
The Police do not have to burgle your home in order to catch burglars. The fire brigade do not have to start fires to put out fires. And Parking Wardens do not have to dangerously and obstructively park to deter other motorists from doing the same. Leading by example and moral decency should be a given. And therefore like you say, they’re fit to serve us.
Thankfully the majority of motorists are not Parking Wardens, they’re not even measurable as a percentage of all UK motorists. In less than a 10 second search on YT you can see hundreds of Parking Wardens demonstrating dangerous, corrupt, unruly behaviour. Here are just few >>>
TRAFFIC WARDEN ADMITS PARKING FINES ARE A CON ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=728hictiu6w&list=PL4lPQXbCPpsxFF9OFi-Hn3RWncBN7NJCB&index=7&t=37s
Council parking warden refuses to ticket Marstons van on double yelllow lines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KqcsJeEZEys&list=PL4lPQXbCPpsxFF9OFi-Hn3RWncBN7NJCB&index=16
Tales of the Car Park: Taking an Old Man's Car
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhclgMxDgZE&list=PL4lPQXbCPpsxFF9OFi-Hn3RWncBN7NJCB&index=1
Joe Lycett CHALLENGES Council’s Outrageous Fines | Joe Lycett’s Got Your Back
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0ooxIHXvj4&list=PL4lPQXbCPpsxFF9OFi-Hn3RWncBN7NJCB&index=23
9 hours ago, HeHasRisen said:No no no mate. They should be made to park up in nearby private multi storey car parks, maybe 10 floors up, which takes time and by which point people could have driven off, and then the taxpayer gets to pick the bill up for parking services to get their car out of the car park.
?? Who says it has to be 10 floors up? Even if it was 10 floors up, I’m sure most Q_parks have lifts, and parking wardens usually have legs. Just like MOST other motorists.
5 hours ago, dan_999uk said:What a ridiculous claim. Can you support it with any evidence at all?
Yes Youtube and Pepipoo have thousands upon thousands of examples. And Parking wardens are not even measurable as a percentage of all motorists.
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Just now, HeHasRisen said:So you want them to go and park up in a private car park, and pay the private company the fee to get out, whilst dispensing tickets?
Yes just like everyone else has to. Lots of people have business, shopping and jobs to do in city-centres. Thankfully most motorists are considerate of others. It is mostly only Parking Services who obstruct cycle-lanes, pavements and cycle paths.
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So you agree, and confirm Parking-Services clearly are not fit to serve us. The law should apply to everyone, especially those who we pay to uphold the law. Having exemption from dangerous, unnecessary selfish obstructive parking, is no excuse or justification for this behaviour. Leading by example and moral decency should be a given.
Thankfully it is not common practise for Police Constabularies to be stealing cars whilst arresting others for stealing cars.
On 31/07/2023 at 16:01, Planner1 said:That’s not a gap in parking spaces, there’s a footway build out if you look. The vehicle you can see is in the last space next to the build out.
If they parked on the double yellow at that location, that would be a worse location in terms of planning for a speedy exit, as it’s essentially in a short cul-de-sac with one exit which can easily be blocked.
The truth is that none of us knows exactly what the situation was when the CEO’s arrived ( in terms of what spaces were or were not available) or exactly why they parked at that point.
The fact is that they are exempt from the waiting restrictions for very good practical operational reasons. To my knowledge all local authorities have these exemptions for enforcement.
You may not like it and you can complain about it if you wish. The CEO’s are fully aware that these situations arouse anger and resentment and they should always be prepared to justify their actions.
I'm not from Sheffield and do not know the city-centre particularly well. But if I have the location correct, it is Charles Street and there's a great big Q-Park! If there wasn't any car-park, like you've stated, their selfish obstructive behaviour would not be excused.
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4 hours ago, Planner1 said:Do you seriously think that they should only be able to hand out tickets if they can find a “legal” place to park somewhere nearby?
There are places that get heavily parked and if the CEO’s had to find a “legal” parking space and walk back, the drivers who are in contravention of the restrictions would probably be long gone.
If they had to comply with the restrictions at all times, on many occasions, enforcement would be impractical.
They are told to use the proper parking spaces whenever they can.
There’s also the safety aspect. CEO’s can be subject to harassment, abuse and violence. They have to consider their own safety and be able to leave the area rapidly if necessary.
None of it is about do as I say, not as I do. It’s about the practicalities of enforcing.
You need to actually think about the practicalities of enforcement that I’ve outlined in the last post. It is OK for them to do it and they do it for very good reasons.
So you agree it is acceptable to park over double yellows, on a corner, over the pavement and block cycle paths. Some might say therefore Sheffield Parking Services are not fit for service....
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