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2 minutes ago, Planner1 said:

The council employ thousands of staff, some of them are operational and need to use their own car for work purposes. Some of them do work which may mean they need to be called out from the office at short notice, so they need a car nearby. The council also have their own vehicles which they park in places which have a car park  like Moorfoot.

 

The council operate a permit system for all it's office car parks and staff who need a parking space for work or are disabled are the ones who get a permit. Some of the permits are shared and staff use them on days when they need a car for work (for example when they go out carrying lots of equipment).

 

The amount of office parking available is small compared to the overall number of staff. The parking is mainly located at Howden House and Moorfooot.  

 

Staff are encouraged to use public transport for business use wherever possible, or walk or cycle (there are pool cycles and electric bikes available for staff use).

 

Last I saw, all councillors had access to this parking at all times. I did make the point to them that it would be good for them to be seen to be leading by example and restricting their own use of parking spaces to those with an operational or medical need, but as far as I know they haven't taken that on board.

Fair level of hypocrisy there then you would agree?  I would imagine only a very small percentage of council business is urgent, so there is no excuse for not pre arranging meetings, or whatever it is they do, that cannot be reached by public transport. 

Lots of us have important business to carry out, and we have to make the best of the bad lot they have lumbered us with.

21 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

Moorfoot has a car park attached to it, doesnt it? Would be stupid if they didnt use it? That building is being binned soon anyway.

Plus some staff are disabled. Seems fair enough to me. 

 

Well yes, getting rid of the most polluting taxis will prove once and for all if its the trains.

Regarding the town hall, of course you would think of the old town hall (although I believe this also has vehicular access at the rear). I think it was the new town hall (Egg Box) that had basement parking for council staff. 

Just now, HeHasRisen said:

Probably in the local multi stories then, the way you worded it came across that the Town Hall had loads of free parking.

I did do a search and wasn't expecting to find this from 18 months ago, shocking >

council staff free parking

summary

4 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

The only thing that may raise them is a load of taxis outside, with engines on, but once the taxis start to get charged and they all sod off as a result it will prove beyond all reasonable doubt its the trains causing it.

Have you ever passed through that taxi waiting area? The drivers sit there with engines running (or did). The air is rank.

1 minute ago, HeHasRisen said:

Anna B said it was, surely she wasnt lying?

 

Also, where are all these Town Hall parking spaces?

I didn't see @AnnaB post. Driving anywhere is not a free for all and never has been. There have always been restrictions and sensible ones are welcome.

As regards town hall staff having free parking spaces, whilst attempting to drive everyone off the road, it was reported at the time. Probably The Star, I'll try and find a link but it was a long time ago. 

7 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

Seems fair enough, the road network cant handle the increased numbers of vehicles. Do you want a free for all? 

Its an issue all urban areas have to deal with.

When was it ever a free for all? 

I was a BT engineer working in the city centre back then with a job to do. The plan was to cause queueing, to p*ss drivers off in an attempt to encourage them not drive around Sheffield city centre. Cars and busses stood with engines running at low speed, causing huge amounts of pollution and wasted fuel.

My argument is that traffic that has to enter the city centre, should be enabled to move safely and freely, park easily, get the job done, get out.

Of course the council top brass still kept their free parking spaces at the town hall. Fair? ok.

2 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

So you are accusing the woman on the radio of lying then?

 

The rest of your post is mostly nonsence, I can only assume you have never tried to drive around any other major city in the UK in your life, ever.

The council admitted planning (and carrying out that plan) to "funnel" drivers off the road years ago, and it was featured in The Star. 

Whatever you believe regarding the CAZ, and I do believe in making the air cleaner for residents of Sheffield city centre. Sheffield council has been at war with drivers wanting to enter the city centre, for about 25 years (maybe more). They are not to be trusted to fairly run the CAZ.

Just now, sheffbag said:

i saw that tucked away at the end as well.  The CAZ is destined to fail due to the train station so expect a revision of charges in about 5 years

Yeah. Page 100 of 100. Coincidence?

1 hour ago, sheffbag said:

https://www.sheffield.gov.uk/sites/default/files/docs/pollution-and-nuisance/clean air zone/Sheffield Clean Air Zone Business Consultation Results.pdf

Results of the consultation with local businesses

Appendix 5.10:

Charging Private Cars

Q32 If the Clean Air Zone does not improve air quality enough to meet legal limits, we may have to introduce charging for private cars.

To what extent would you support such a move?

On 30/01/2023 at 09:39, HeHasRisen said:

"Easy", though? Could just saunter up at 11am and have your pick of spaces?

I used to work on Queens Road from 1978-86 with a 7:30 am start. You could park on Charlotte Road for free all day. Also all the side roads opposite what is now B&Q. You could even park for free on Queens road itself outside of peak periods. South Street, Park Hill used to be free parking too. There were lots of places that have now become restricted or permit.

15 hours ago, Anna B said:

Good idea, and surely not that difficult to arrange.

They can spend months, if not years awaiting decisions on their status, so let them work while they're waiting. 

Is that actually legal?

13 minutes ago, hackey lad said:

There were protests when Hortons etc were built . Same as there were when Asda was built on Drakehouse . All to do with traffic.

any link?

3 minutes ago, HeHasRisen said:

Fair enough. I disagree though, being able to read signs is an integral part of, you know, driving.

If you cant do that then I have no issue with peoples stupidity being exploited for money.

Personally, I have an issue with anyone being exploited.

14 hours ago, Pyrotequila said:

Whenever I see proposed tower blocks in city centres, I always wonder where they expect people to put their cars? Or do they expect every resident to be car free?

FFS, we're talking Sheffield city Council here. 

I live in the area but not directly affected. 

Traffic entering the proposed traveller site (travelling showmen - not gypsies?) and the industrial estate, I think, will add to the congestion and poor air quality at busy times, but not significantly. The design of the whole Drakehouse retail area is terrible to begin with, getting on and offsite, especially at weekends and even more so bank holidays, can be horrendous. 

I'll be honest and say I don't want another gypsy site locally. In recent years they camped illegally on the large field at Littlemoor and left a disgusting mess. Similar reports all over the country. 

If I was a resident on Springwell, I would be concerned too. There can't be many advantages to having a gypsy site and an industrial estate at the bottom of your garden.

I can't see how the increased traffic argument stands up, especially  when people made little protest about Tim Hortons etc and now Burger King, and expect it will be thrown out. 

I do believe that people should have the option to live differently, but that shouldn't have a negative effect on anyone else.

Anyone have the link to the planning application? not the petition. I searched the planning site but couldn't find it.

On 15/01/2023 at 13:24, Meltman said:

They had a site in North Anston a few years ago (I know it's in Rotherham ) but they trashed it after a lot of money was spent providing it for them. The site is now home to fairground people (still travelling folk?) and is kept immaculate. 

I thought the proposed one at Drakehouse was for travelling showmen?

17 hours ago, HumbleNarrator said:

I grew up in Parsons Cross in the eighties/early nineties; now, perhaps I've got my rose tinted spectacles on but looking back it did seem like we had everything  we needed around us without the need of a car. Within a very short walking distance there was a supermarket, a library, news agents, butchers, grocers, chippies, pet shops, video rental shops, a pub and a club, betting shops, off-licences, school, a yout club,  a wooded valley, two huge parks, etc etc. it was a great, thriving little eco system and nearly everyone in the street knew each other.

 

These "15 minute zones" could end up being a blessing in disguise.

Yeah, I remember those times. We have had constant globalisation and centralisation over the years though, so those local shops (for local people 😆 ) have all but disappeared.

On 14/01/2023 at 14:24, harvey19 said:

As per usual they are speaking for the majority.

 

No they are not, how many times have you heard -

"I'm sure I speak for everyone when.."

or

"The whole country is united..."

1 hour ago, bassett one said:

they will be a lot of future collectors item for this event,will sheffield make any though?

It will just join the rest of the royalty tat in charity shops, once the fuss has died down. 

3 hours ago, Resident said:

We've seen enough of SCC's incompetent planning and execution over the years to know it's not gonna get any better till we remove them from office or start holding them accountable for wasting taxpayer cash, especially in the current economic climate. 

 

Am I right in thinking you're a right wing political supporter (if not I apologise)? I am no supporter of SCC but the government you support has hardly been squeaky clean in the efficiency department.

2 hours ago, rogets said:

Bloke who lives at number 26 drives a complete heap of junk, it's a 15 plate so about time it went on the scrap, plus his car brings the neighbourhood down 

 

Anyone driving though our neighbourhood would look at his car and think what sort of people live on this road? 

 

Maybe charge anyone who owns an 18 plate or older £50 to drive through the clean air zone? 

 

Why are people driving 5 year old cars, when there are electric cars available? 

 

(I have to point out that we have got a 22 plate electric car, and we get our 23 plate brand new car in a couple of months) 

Bonkers

On 25/12/2022 at 22:32, HeHasRisen said:

But it doesn't start for two months.

 

A congestion charging zone half a mile away (maybe more) that doesnt start for 2 months did not make Broomhill "quiet" last night. 

Yeah, they were practicing for when it does start.

51 minutes ago, Organgrinder said:

NOBODY IS CONFUSED!

Everybody is fed up of hearing that the  2  zones are different.

They are, at this moment but, they will not stay separate because there are to be further changes to come.

These further changes, however they start, will eventually spread wider , INTO EACH OTHER,  until finally, they cover ALL ROADS.

Net Zero is the end target and you will not reach that otherwise.

 

The denier's are talking about saving the foot when we are going to lose the leg.

 

Are you suggesting the local authority are being economical with the truth? Any evidence to back up what you are saying?

If you read my post, you would have seen that I suggested it is highly likely that a 15 min zone will exist inside the LEZ.  In fact if the radius of the LEZ is 1 mile (15 min walk), the whole of the LEZ could also be a 15 min zone.

22 hours ago, harvey19 said:

After reading Peter Hitchens article in the Mail on Line today it brings home the lack of respect he had for his position in society.

It also leads one to wonder if his use of illegal substances changed his personality, perceptions and behaviour.

 

You saw the light and decided never to read that prejudiced pile of sh*te ever again??

Confused.

This thread is about the 15 min zones that intend to make everything more localised, and offer an alternative to driving everywhere.

The LEZ is a restriction that allows traffic to enter an area, on payment of a fee or fine. This is only intended for commercial vehicles. Will that remain the case? personally I doubt it.  

It is inevitable that traffic will have to enter 15 minute zones, for dropping off, unloading of supplies etc. But the 15 min zones won't necessarily be inside the LEZ (but could be). If outside the LEZ and you decide to use your car with a 15 min zone, then you are liable to be hit with a fine for contravening a restriction of access, but you are not allowed to pay a fee upfront to allow access. The intention of 15 min zones, is to allow access and egress to the 15 min zone but not access through it, which suggests lots more one ways, no accesses etc to stop traffic flowing through. 

However you may, upon request be issued with a certain number of permits to allow you to override the 15 min zone restrictions.

Summat like?

18 hours ago, bassett one said:

well i think these occasions are rare in ones life and believe that our city should enjoy the day,so we await there ideas,no doubt other citys will do better than us.

Why do you believe other people should enjoy it? Shouldn't they be allowed to make up their own mind?

Really winds me up when the media (for example) choose to speak (wrongly) on my behalf. I just want them gone.