evil woman

Why do some always claim others are less intelligent for voting for a party they believe in. That's unintelligent really..

Seems about right.

I bet your reight glad

The electorate have spoken. Do you think his supporters will march around Edinburgh with placards saying "SNP out"?

Jim Murphy might only have been Labour leader in Scotland for a few months, but it looks like he is being used as a scapegoat by the party for its annihilation at the hands of the SNP. He is to face a vote of no confidence. Perhaps the party should face a vote of no policies.

There is no money left remember. And since that note the conservatives have borrowed double again.

 

I agree it's best for you to wind things up and get off your tax credits now. Youngsters don't have the same options and things are going to get very tough for them.

 

Remember though, if the Tories do take us out of the EU then you might find that you become an illegal immigrant in Portugal. And if so when you return home you may not be immediately eligible for help with housing or from the NHS.

Once again trotting out the same old missinformation that cost Labour the election. There is the problem. You seem to assume that the electorate are thick and fall for that twaddle. The electorate saw through that years ago which is why it cut no ice at the election. Hopefully Labour will carry on with the same tack and lose again in 2020. :hihi:

By the way EU membership has sod all to do with one's ability to live in a place. That is down to one's ability to pay the bills, but it is nice of you to show such insincere concern.

The slogan "Vote Labour get the SNP" was for the English voters, Doh! and it worked. Its the back-lash from Scotland that will stay with the UK for decades.

You seem to read rather too much into similarities between a referendum and the UK elections.

Scotland had a referendum a few months ago in which around 45% of the voters voted to go for independence. 55% voted against.

That is nothing much to do with voting in a General Election where there is a multi choice question of who the voter would like to represent them in the UK parliament.

In that election 50% of those who voted voted SNP. 50% voted for other alternatives. Some may well have voted SNP hoping for independence. Others voted SNP because they thought they would ring a better deal out of theUK government for their constituency.

Ironically the better the deal the SNP do get for Scotland the worse is their case for independence. I also suspect there are a few in Scotland who are hoping to extract more for themselves from Westminster, but would be terrified of over stepping the mark and actually being cast adrift from the UK. That can't happen in a General Election.

Enough with this "the council, the council" already. What I don't understand is why those with ideas and drive, and who are frustrated with the state of things don't do something: start a pressure group, start campaigning, put up some candidates for the council election next time out.

 

We cannot simply offload all the blame on the council. It's us too. We are passive observers by choice. If we could be arsed, we could change things.

But it is far easier not to keep banging your head against the wall here and do what Hammersons did and simply invest in a more dynamic environment where business, motorist and profit aren't classed as swear words.

If the city of Sheffield expects to be part of any major Northern regeneration it needs to start to make itself attractive to inward investment and use that as a route to being considered worthy of a trans-Pennine tunnel.

Not financial advice, just a warning to you and anybody else in this situation.

 

If you are in receipt of tax credits to top up your self-employed income then they are coming for you. You may not feel so smug in a couple of years.

As it happens I and a lot of others are the ones who have had to pay rather a lot of cash into the system, rather than taking anything out. In a couple of years I intend to have sold my interests on and cleared off to the Algarve. But thank you for your concern.

It is good to know that the government is trying to peg back the deficit so there will still be a few bob in the kitty when I start to draw my pension.

Didn't vote Labour.

 

Hope you're not self-employed and getting tax credits. Your life is going down the tubes if so.

I don't ever remember saying you did vote Labour. You certainly didn't vote Tory, but then neither did I. However unlike you I'm pretty pleased with the result. I am self employed, and don't really need financial advice from you. I pay an accountant and a financial advisor to do that, and it seems to work pretty well.

4 million voters say they should, that's democracy.

UKIP are only a short way onto a very steep learning curve. The most useful lesson UKIP learned from the election is where their strengths lie. It will allow them to contest far fewer seats where they have a realistic chance. It will allow them to select strong reliable candidates and concentrate resources on them.

Don't be surprised if at the next election they get 1/3 of the votes they got this time but picked up 4 or 5 seats for their trouble.

If they can't do that they may as well roll over and die.

 

 

It was growing. Then debt-doubling Tories worked their magic.

 

I'm not defending Labour. Just stating facts. Refute them if you can but you won't be able to.

That's cool. You just lost an election trying to pedal that flim flam. Fortunately no one was fooled by it. Labour failed to take any of the target seats in Yorkshire because folk aren't as gulible as you seem to think they are.

Enjoy 5 years of Cameron followed bt 5 years of Boris... :hihi:

The economy was growing when the coalition took over. They stopped it growing within six months. Nothing has turned around.

And unfortunately for Labour the electorate didn't swallow that load of flim flam either. That's why Labour have another 5 years of opposition.

In War: Resolution. In Defeat: Defiance. In Victory: Magnanimity. In Peace: Goodwill

 

Might be worth bearing the third in mind for when everyone settles down for a bit of peaceable living...

It is a good idea to wait for them to accept defeat first.

Do you have any examples of this demonisation? Genuine question

It must be an interesting interpretation of demonising as it clearly didn't upset the Scots. The Tories got almost exactly the same number of votes in Scotland as they did in 2010. Labour on the other hand didn't.

Because I'm in the anger phase of grief derr brain

 

You can't just skip to acceptance

You will probably get used to it in the next decade.

MPs and party members picked David.

Trades Unions picked Ed.

So which won, do you think?

Given the result of last Thursday's election. It would appear the country won.

The story is about a year old and,I think,been done on here before...

Yep. A bit like David Miliband clearing off to work for a charitable organisation for £250,00/year. Just imagine capable people being so tight that they look to be paid for their services.

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Error in your quotation: you mean 'the Socialist Republic of South Yorkshire'!

Well if you like. I'm sure both apply if you scratch the surface.

Because you will not be left alone Snooper's Charter. Mind you, it's already happening without being officially implemented

..........you mean someone will follow you and know all about you,where you live etc................that's shocking!

That's terrible. That's what you expected in East Germany in the days of the Stassi. What do they think this is the Soviet Republic of South Yorkshire?

It's started.

No powers given to them will be enough.

Every Government action re: Scotland will be arrogant, "appalling and anti-democratic".

 

Cameron and the Tory party will reap what they sowed. I don't think they care afterall the loss of 56 SNP, 1 Labour and 1 Lib-Dem MP's from Westminster will make them more secure.

 

You seem to have missed the fact that we just had an election in which Labour lost 98% of its Scottish seats, The Libdems lost 90% of theirs and the Tories lost none at all. The Tories might have cared rather more when Labour had 40 odd MPs north of the border but even then they campaigned rather hard to keep them. Now I think they are content to wallow in Labour's huniliation.

I think PR is coming. Its been murmured that the main parties won't introduce it because it wouldn't benefit them. I think they will promise it because the majority of the people want it. .

That is an odd conclusion to draw 4 years after we had a referendum on electoral reform and the electorate said they didn't want it.

he is probably just riding out the years of Labour being in the dark before they become electable again.

I think Labour will have quite a few leaders before they get one with a chance of being Prime Minister. One trick is to get your timing right so you aren't another Ed Miliband. The other is to have some policies that an electorate might vote for like Tony Blair.

The number of tenants evicted from their homes is at a six-year high.

 

That must mean it was higher when Labour was in power.

It would seem to be the case that ivictions were higher in 2008.

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no it just means it's been the higher than for the last 6 years.

So what was happening 6 years ago?

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What difference does it make which government was in power?

It clearly does to you.

Yes somebody said that too. Idiot!

So how many eyes did the Scottish idiot have then?

Shouldn't voting be made more simple and fairer to everyone

Why, do you think you put the cross in the wrong box?

Only the terminally thick would link to it, then copy and paste it without any clear attribution.

 

Unless you were hoping that we'd all think that you'd written it, despite the clear improvement in spelling, punctuation and grammar.

It would appear that only you had a problem with it. There again you seem to have a problem with everything since your boys lost 2 in a row.

So just to be clear. This is an article cut from the press. You can tell that because of the link...http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/

This is the content of that link. It was compiled by the folks who have their name on it. It makes interesting reading. Even if some idiots don't like what it says, that doesn't alter the facts.

Stephen Bush over at the New Statesman has written an interesting article about the mountain that faces Labour at the next election. I’ve now had chance to sit down and play with the election results and the picture is as bleak for Labour as Stephen paints – for various reasons, the electoral system has now tilted against Labour in the same way it was tilted against the Conservatives at the last few elections.

Looking at how the vote was distributed at the general election the Conservatives should, on a uniform swing, be able to secure a majority on a lead of about 6%. Labour would need a lead of almost thirteen points. On an equal amount of votes – 34.5% a piece – the Conservatives would have almost fifty seats more than Labour, Labour would need to have a lead of about four points over the Conservatives just to get the most seats in a hung Parliament. The way the cards have fallen, the system is now even more skewed against Labour than it was against the Conservatives.

How did this happen? It’s probably a mixture of three factors. One is the decline of the Liberal Democrats and tactical voting – one of the reasons the electoral system had worked against the Tories in recent decades was that Labour and Lib Dem voters had been prepared to vote tactically against the Tories, and the Lib Dems have held lots of seats in areas that would otherwise be Tory. Those factors have vanished. At the same time the new dominance of the SNP in an area that was a Labour heartland has tilted the system against Labour. Labour had a lead over the Conservatives of 9% in Scotland, but Labour and Conservative got the same number of Scottish seats because the SNP took them all.

Finally there is how the swing was distributed at this election. Overall there was virtually no swing at all between Labour and Conservative across Great Britain, but underneath this there were variances. In the Conservative held target seats that Labour needed to gain there was a swing towards the Conservatives (presumably because most of these seats were being contested by first time Conservative incumbents). In the seats that Labour already held there was a swing towards Labour – in short, Labour won votes in places where they were of no use to them, piling up useless votes in seats they already held.

You have to laugh at the folk still trying to fight the last election using the same guff that no one believed before it. Just think they will be able to trott out the same guff in 2020 and lose the next one as well. The only question really is which lame duck Labour will pick to lead them into that election. If they pander to their moronic support on here they certainly won't impress the electorate in the seats that they need to win.