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I'd join you but I rarely drink nowadays and when I do its rum.

On the change.org page I expected to sign / give email or something but even with JS enabled I see noffin...

God gave us our common sense so we use it , or discernment a gift of the spirit

You're not born with common sense! How many times did you say "no" or "be careful" to your children?

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Every day? Get a grip.

Do you realise how many people a day die in this country alone! Get a grip yourself...

You prove my point that in your eyes it can't posibly be anything to do with Islam, when in fact all they are doing is acting Islamic, you oppose their actions but can't bring yourself to oppose the religion that is the root cause of those actions.

Its not an Islamic issue in that sense, its a religion issue. People who believe this horse-c*** will do whatever their religious leaders tell them too, and as usual manipulative people have risen to the top and are abusing their power. Just like the Catholics were selling prayers for dead relatives, priests were raping children in their care, etc even tzars lording over Russian peasants, give anyone too much power and it corrupts.

Democracy is the only way.

The only positive thing about this thing with Trump is, he's broken the government / media cover up of pretending nothings wrong and that all Muslims are lovely. Its opened debate that many are wanting. The debate and truth needs to happen because the governments / press / Islam are accusing anyone who speaks out as racists (when have you heard extremist Muslims called racists on TV?), this just alienates them and makes things worse, and it'll only get worse until its all open, or it'll blow, like in Germany, the police daren't do anything so the people are.

Look at Rotherham, the police knew what was going on, but they were told to appease Muslims and turn a blind eye to keep the peace at any cost, not just the police in fact, politicians and social workers too. Also, recently the Rotherham Muslim community basically accused the police of a witch hunt and refused to cooperate, they use the threat of being accused of being a racist as a weapon against us, they're dictating policy to everyone even whilst they continue to let the extremists carry on.

Not every day. Few doctors do for that matter but that's incidental.

 

You seem to be agreeing with me that doctors are an essential service, in which case they should not be allowed to go on strike, just like the police or armed forces.

They all form part of a system, even the dispensing pharmacist if dicing with death if they prescribe the wrong drugs, etc, etc...

That's an assumption on your behalf, how incorrect you are! Even worse you have the audacity and where with all to tell me what I think and try to force it on me. Yup you sound like some slave owning snob, you should be ashamed of yourself!

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I work longer hours than doctors but I've never felt the need to withhold my services even though they aren't essential.

 

Doctors shouldn't be allowed to go on strike if they really are an essential service.

Do you deal with life threatening situations where you are responsible.

You are aware ("proper") Doctors have to pay for their own insurance? So, forced to work long hours but still save lives and if not they have to defend themselves!

If god told me he wanted me to cross the road blindfold that would be different , he hasn't said that he gave me eyes

I'm guessing she gave you a brain to think for yourself too? Use it instead of reading us scripture and verse!

America and Britain created this mess

 

Now we have to sort it

 

These people are desperate and have NOTHING

 

How do YOU propose we solve this problem Berberis?

Muslim extremists created this mess, we got involved!

A solution, let the Muslim extremists kill each other (and the peaceful Muslims there) and we keep out of it, NOT!!!

Oi, junior Doc's, are you listening, 100% behind you!

http://www.indiatimes.com/news/world/german-gangs-are-beating-up-syrians-after-immigrants-sexually-assault-germany-s-women-249310.html

 

Well this was gonna happen. Always was.

Yeah it was straight after Merkel wagged her magic finger admitting she had gotit wrong...

The assaults on women in Cologne and other German cities have prompted more than 600 criminal complaints, with the police investigation focusing on asylum seekers and migrants

I didn't realise it was 600...

It's 19%. It was never 53%

 

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/pse/public-sector-employment/q2-2013/sty-public-section-employment.html

 

There's some interesting data for you

 

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And that is the basic truth. David Miliband's would have got much closer.

Brilliant, that's 3 years after Conservative took power and it also states that it was the lowest since records began.

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And that is the basic truth. David Miliband's would have got much closer.

I might of even voted for David, but that's the Alternative Voting System for you.

David won round 1, round 2 and round 3

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_%28UK%29_leadership_election,_2010#Results

I thought it was about 30%?

Something like 53%, you can go fetch though...

He was advised by HM Treasury that it was the right thing to do at the time, did you predict a rise in the price of gold at the time, or are you just able to say it was a daft thing to do, in hind-sight.

But yes, the press reported it, and they seem to like reporting anything anti-Labour.

Yes, the gold price is publicly available everywhere, but then again I'm into machine learning and always looking for interesting data sets.

I also said it at the time, not just in hind-sight.

Any which way, sell such an asset was never a good idea and messed up later when it came to us having assets. Just like school playing fields and all the other publicly owned buildings they sold off for quick cash to please the red masses.

No it's not.

 

Labour's general election defeat verdict revealed

As stated in the thread OP, that's their own report on themselves.

1 Failure to shake off the myth that we (ie Labour) were responsible for the financial crash and failure to build trust on the economy

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Not quite right, Gordon sold all the gold at stupid prices, then they spent spent spent and had nothing when it rained.

Why does no-one ever link the cost of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq to playing a part in the crash?

Like now, we're getting out of massive repayments, yet we still can afford to go to Syria.

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Also over 50% of the working population was employed in the public sector,which wasn't sustainable financially.

I wont sing it either!

I'll only sing bits, but I wouldn't then sing Red Flag instead. Notice how the video is from Russian (ex-)state television using it as a propaganda coup.

You have an inability to follow arguments. How come Zamo can see it instantly and you always struggle. The issue is if you get involved in other peoples conflicts then there are consequences involving the movement of people amongst other things.

 

No I wasnt only blaming the west, this is just you making it up again, thats why you are so obnoxious. I was talking about the west becayse the complaint was about consequences affecting the west i.e refugees.

 

It wouldnt do you any harm if you went away and read a few history books.

And it may help if you were less biased, and rude, you ain't no saint and go further than me in the rudeness department.

I know my history kid, even about you.

... It doesnt mean they were without justification, just that they are wars they voluntarily became involved in.

That logic is twisted if it was justified.

Also, still only blaming the West for the mess of the Middle Eastern Muslim countries.

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... Except you are missing the point which was being made to Zamo, which he agrees with. You cnat moan about refugees fleeing from conflicts you have helped create.

Helped create, or tried to help solve after being asked, and attacked.

I'm all for helping refugees, personally I think its better for them to stay and help sort the country out with our assistance, its their country and if all the good people leave then its only going to get worse and only contain bad people.

Also, the issue is many so called refugees aren't refugees.

And then there are the customs, I'm not talking about basic peaceful religious customs, I'm talking about ***** who think throwing bricks at moving cars will get them what they want, those who believe mass rape is ok, etc...

As you say, why is it an issue simply because it was a bus load of children:

a) should we be any more bothered if there are children in the sinking refugee boats, YES

b) every single incident is an atrocious attempted murder, but with so much mayhem going on in the world, its an indictment on society that only stories about children are still shocking. Reading the paper today I must have read about 5 bombings on clearly innocent people.

The Iraq war had very poor post war planning. The regime left in power after Saddam was weak and misguided, which in turn was unable to control the population with its borders, which in turn allowed militia groups, which were able to appeal to the isolated Sunnis, who in turn were able to build strength and expand into IS.

 

Part of the Syrian crisis is caused by support from the west for the pro democracy and opposition factions. I am not saying its wrong, but sanctions and diplomatic involvement bolstered the opposition into what is now a civil war. The consequence of this is people fleeing conflict as this always happens.

 

This is why everyone recognises the only solution is a diplomatic one where the civil war can be ended, although that in itself is a power struggle between the pro Assad and pro democracy factions.

But all those were in reality caused by despicable tyrants ruling under the guise of religion.

Also in each circumstance we were taking asylum seekers fleeing for their lives, begging us to do something about it, and why wouldn't we want to help such people in distress.

The asylum seekers were / are Muslims being persecuted by other Muslims, yet somehow by trying to help everyone gets blamed except the perpetrators.

"Capitalism is the extraordinary belief that the nastiest of men, for the nastiest

of motives, will somehow work for the benefit if all."

 

John Maynard Keynes

Are you still denying that you're a communist?

Oh 'lines' has form on here too. Good to see it wasn't personally at me then.

Is that you being facetious again?

I just think it's all far too easy to say 'companies are bad as they make money' and 'public entities are good as they don't make money'. It's all about value for money of the majority. For example, I do not think that an private company could make the NHS better value for money for the majority therefore I don't support it, however, there may be parts of the NHS that would be better off privately run (can't think of a specific example, just saying it's not unbelievable that this would be the case!), offering a better standard of care at a lower price. Extrapolate across the entirety of business and you have some areas that need far, far better regulation or government ownership (trains spring to mind!) and many other areas that have benefitted customers that have been deregulated (gas and electric).

 

Ultimately if a company can come in and run the NHS better than present for the customers (patients), at a lower or equal cost point, then I'd fully support privatisation. However, looking at other models around the world there aren't any that demonstrate that this can happen so I'm anti-privatisation for the timebeing. If they make profit at the end of it all, then good for them.

 

I doubt many people are completely in one camp or another, we all flit between 'left' and 'right' policies I'd suggest.

There's quite a bit of the NHS which is already privatised. Mainly started under Labour, less so under Conservative but they are still finding these cost savings by using private companies.

1. Actually the quote was from Truman at post #5 so yes I had to go back nearly 90 posts. I asked what he meant by lawbreaking, he clarified and I answered. The context was about illegal entrance.

 

2. You really need to look into the rights of an asylum seeker and the 51 Convention. Ive explained it many times on here. An asylum seeker can make a claim where they wish. There are other administrative rules in the EU dealing with which countries should hear, but that system has almost collapsed. I took the trouble to explain and link you up. Its not my fault if you wont read them.

 

3. The difference is you know that woman is identifed as a woman in a burka. Your example is a poor one. If a rock was thrown at a coach that happened to be have burka wearing women on board, then I wouldnt read any more into it without some evidence that the fact they were there was a key decision to attack it. Other vehicles returning to the UK are also stoned and those dont have kids on. Its a general problem there is because there are large numbers of frustrated mighrants trying to get to the UK.

 

Playing down the seriousness of it? I read the article and it amounts to someone throwing a rock at a coach and breaking a window.

 

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No you are an idiot if you think pointing out when something is incorret amounts to anything more. You might enjoy being ignorant, but I prefer to know what the correct situation is.

 

2.2 As usual you might want to do yourself a favour by looking at the topic of dicussion in context. The nothing to do with us attitude is not something the UK has been able to stick to throughout history because the country sees its interests as often requiring it to get involved in conflicts abroad.

 

2.2.1 Am I making threats? nope thats just you making up falsehoods as usual.

2.2.2 Its nothing to do with the situation> Its directly to do with the point being discussed at the time about whether the problem was an international one or not.

2.2.3 As i've pointed out the rest of the world agrees that unless you try and address the situation then things will get worse and that has regional and then international repucussions. We dont live in isolation and things that happen on the other side of the world do affect us. its very much an international problem.

 

2.3 Well the rest of the world is throwing billions of $$ and thousands of troops to try and resolve the situation to prevent it getting worse. Without those efforts then they clearly would have gained more ground. So an attutde that its not an international problem would clearly lead to the conflict spreading and escalating, which in turn means more refugees and migrations of other people.

 

 

Actually no need to respond Lines, am bired of this and its wasted too much time.

 

If you want to make points over a long thread, then its best if you refer to what the topic and context that was being discussed at the time instead of cherry picking bits which suit you in a different area. Its rather irksome when you start bandying about falsehoods as well.

Yet, the majority of the posters on this thread disagree with you, and judging by your views its not me who's the idiot, you're the one with the bias for playing down serious criminal acts, but I can't help the way you were brought up.

Good choice. Pretty much a waste of time.

She only actually contributed in the end, just to cover themselves from being a blatant flamer.

Forget it. You've got your wish. Leaving this thread and any others that feature you well alone as you a clearly a class *******.

That sentence doesn't even make sense... I see its a rant though, annoyed with what you started, did you score points?

If you're talking wifi, then there are only so many channels and most routers are fixed to one at a time. So if all your neighbours are on the same channel then you are all sharing the same radio broadcast frequency.