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It is not clearly possible.

 

It may be possible, but then so is Prince Charles having a sex change and moving into a council flat in Rotherham with the Proclaimers. It simply isn't going to happen so stop fantasying.

It would be really interesting if you could explain why this could not happen?We were all Catholics once and were 'encouraged' to become Christians?

is it just me or does it irratate other people.theres a woman who lives near me with a voice like a fog horn i can hear her yelling now and she lives two streets away.windows are open so that doesnt help.but why do some people have to shout so much,there seems to be more of these loudies about lately.

My personal explanation is that it's one of the 'benefits' of multiculturalism. Unfortunately, it's a universal law that everyone and everything falls to the lowest common denominator, and this particular 'benefit' originates in parts of Africa where it's considered very rude to speak to a person on one side of the street if people on the other side can't hear you. Consequently, more and more people in Britain are speaking louder than they ever did before and irritating the few of us who remain true to our original upbringings. I honestly don't think it's going to improve. We've allowed it to happen and seem to have no intention of changing it, so we can only learn to live with it.

With all the controversy over the new market, could it be an idea to put the stall holders in there? They could put the fish and meat in the cells (presumably underneath?) keep the old court, do it up as necessary and charge to see it as a museum piece? Without seeing it inside that's as far as I can go with it but surely someone could make it work on that basis? It's in the right place for what the people complaining about it having been moved wanted so I can'see why it was never an option in the first place. I realise that leaves a problem with the new market on the Moor but as that's not working anyway, according to some on the Forum, I'm sure that someone must be able to come up with some ideas as to what would work down there?

Good bless the Queen and its good to see her visiting Sheffield, Phil the Greek is a legend in his own lifetime.

My Dad was in the Royal Navy and didn't have a good word to say for him! Fraud was about the only one I could mention on here! For myself, I think he's brilliant! I just love the way PC has passed him by, and funnily enough I think Dad would agreed with me now had he still been here.

If it were as simple as just a smack on the hand, or on a well padded bottom, then there might be almost an inch of mileage in your argument, but we are talking about the intimidation and domineering of his whole family unit.

 

A judge is not going to whip a child away from its parents for something as simple as a tap on the hand.

Being a reasonable human being you would think that, wouldn't you? As it happens I am close to a case where the father has just been granted the right to have his now 4yr old over the weekends (when social workers don't go out unless the child is dead, or as near as!) because apparently this is the age when boys in particular need to learn to identify with their father. By doing this, the Judge, but more importantly, the Social Services, have condemned this child to the druggie thug culture, thieving and violent world of his father, knowing that the man has several convictions, not least the one for assaulting a taxi driver, as well as the fact that he abused and assaulted the mother in front of the child and knocked the child to the other side of the settee resulting in a bloody nose and cut lip! There is much more involved in this case but I'm not going to bore you with that. I would though, like to stress that although I blame the Social Services as a body, my concern is that they are seriously understaffed and cannot therefore spend the time that is desparately needed to properly evaluate each individual case.

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I have already posted a small amount of the available evidence which supports the fact that they do actually whip children away parents for no good reason.

Based on the story the judge simply didn't like his opinion and his wife doesn't support the claim that he was domineering of his whole family unit.

 

If he broke the law he should be tried and if found guilty he should be given the appropriate punishment, if not then he and his wife should be with their kids.

Absolutely agree with all your posts on this.

4 people in Sheffield says it all! To say I am disgusted says it all! No slur on the 4 of course!

I don't think it is necessarily that simple. We are concerned when people in a position of influence over children use that position for their own ends, be that parents, family friends, teachers, doctors, TV celebrities etc who sexually groom or otherwise assault a child. We do not blame the victim in these cases. Yet if children are brought up in environments (not chosen by them) that inspire them to travel to Syria and join IS, be it by their parents or religious leaders, then are they somehow more culpable. Is that fair?

As Mafya says - it's a good point. We are concerned when these people abuse or assault children. When they're very young the Social Services take them into care and hope that the placement they choose will ensure a more stable and suitable upbriniging for these children. This week a High Court Judge has decreed that a Rotherham man and his wife have no right to have their children because he is too domineering & insists that the occasional smack does no harm and his wife, to no avail, agrees that he is not aggressive or violent.The children were still taken in to care. Does that ruling set a precedent that a Muslim upbringing is also too domineering in that the parents insist on their children being taught the Qur'ran that implicitly decrees that parents teach their children that it is their duty to promote their ideals by fair means or foul? And if that is the case, do we then start taking all Muslim children into care to protect them from that? Is that fair?

It amazes me that some posters on Sheffield Forum routinely use the daily mail as a credible source.

It's in the Times and the Express too - either of them credible enough?

This is Yorkshire, us and the Scots are excused.

Lol! You made my day!

I thought this thread was 'Sheffield follows Rotherham in child abuse allegations?

To me that's saying that they've found similar circumstances in Sheffield to what has been written in the report by Alexis Jay about what was happening in Rotherham - i.e. the grooming and sexual abuse of hundreds of mainly white girls by mainly Pakistani men, which was systematically dismissed by the police, social services and council members because they were all frightened of losing their jobs for being labelled Racist.

Having followed this thread as far as Mafyas' thread 14/03/15 and looking at his link I took some time out to think and look further.

What I found was Mrs Mays' statement that 'child sex abuse is woven in to the very fabric of our society'. The only time she mentions Rotherham is in the fact that Professor Jay will be on the investigating team.

Her words intimated to me exactly what Mafyas' link unintentionally proved to me.

Take a look at his link http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/2015/01/rns-rotherham/ and see if you see what I see. Then think about the high profile cases that have dominated the news for months now.

Can you see the connection?

I watched the first episode and was totally unimpressed but decided to reserve final judgement until I'd at least seen this weeks episode - on the premise that these things can improve as actors get more into their parts. Sadly, for me, they didn't. Aidan Turner is easier on the eye than Robin Ellis, but he just doesn't have the strength of character in his face to ever be Poldark. The girl playing Demelza is so badly cast that I have to wonder who she's related to that she got the job! Even Warren Clark, who I love as Dalziel, is totally miscast as Poldarks' uncle.

I won't bore you with what I think of the rest. Suffice it to say that I shall do as I did with the last period drama they adapted, The Forsyte Saga, which was also miscast and in my opinion, unwatchable, and buy the original box set.

Bet his children don't read Sheffield Forum!!!! Thanks!!!!

They obviously don't, or they'd have been in touch, but you could look them up on FreeBMD site and then ask on the Shiregreen thread maybe? I haven't put their names on here 'cos I'm not sure it's legal to do so when they're still alive and I don't know them to ask their perrmission. As their father, and probably their grandparents lived in the right area, I assumed they were the most likely to know if their dad knew your dad.

Anyway, sorry if they're not who you're looking for, but I enjoy a mystery and this one passed a pleasant hour or so for me.

There was a Peter Manterfield attended Hartley Brook junior school in the Late 40's He lived in the Homestead Rd area and he would been 74 ish now but I believe that died many years ago

Had a look on FreeBMD and it looks like Peters' dad could have been your dads' friend. He was a George who married a Gladys Thompson in 1930. There are a few to choose from! Peter himself had 2 children who are probably still living.

I have some Manterfield relations but not sure they ever lived in the Shiregreen area. It's a pretty rare name in these parts so I hope you find who you're looking for, but have to admit I think it's a long shot! Perhaps if you gave more clues? What did your dad do for a living, for example - maybe that would narrow things down a bit?

Really enjoyed Best Exotic Marigold Hotel. Exactly my kind of movie!

No, we're not brain dead - just dirt poor!

Google robinhood-loxley.weebly.com

 

Also http://www.robinhoodloxley.net/default.htm

 

They make a convincing case!

Still suggest you read this before you dismiss the idea altogther.

Well I don't know what's going on in Bradford, but according to the official statistics in Rotherham only .08 per cent of the population there is Pakiistani. Was that the corresponding representation in the council?

This is my original piece - your quote differs and alters the subject quite dramatically! I have not looked at the % per population in Bradford.

One word is apparently too short but my word is 'insular', meaning the people not the place.

Well I don't know what's going on in Bradford, but according to the official statistics in Rotherham only .08 pe cent of the population there is Pakiistani. Was that the corresponding representation in the council?

Because child abuse isn't defined by a set criteria other than underage sex abuse. If it was we'd have no sex abuse other than Islamic Pakistani's messing with kids. I'm also assuming Bounces conclusion is based on Pakistani culture doesn't include sexual assaulting children in the same way ours doesn't. Sex abuse isn't defined by culture, otherwise ALL cultures are guilty, even ours.

Think you're rather missing the point here Ron. The thread is about Rotherham and the fact that 1400 young white girls were targeted and groomed for sexual exploitation by mainly Muslim Pakistani men. The op thinks/question? that Rotherham can become a beacon of Muslim hope.

Unless America stops its warmongering and its blatant provocation of Russia then yes.

 

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So true but its not what the general masses are being fed and thats a real problem. Personally i think Putin has showed incredible restraint. Hes showed his real character and thats not one of world domination as the media would have us believe. Respect to the guy i say

I'm in total agreement with you. We are being fed a load of lies ahead of the election so that LibLabCon can 'advise' us that the only way we can avoid destruction is to vote for them and stay in the E.U.

You are assuming all those of Asian Muslim background in Rotherham had full knowledge of who the perpetrators were. I would suspect that many in their own family did not even know let alone the community at large.

 

Those who have full knowledge are most likely to be in the immediate circle of friends of the offenders.

 

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The most important point has been missed out. The offences actually had nothing to do with Islam or Pakistani culture.

How do you come to that last conclusion?

If I had the choice I'd flatten the bus station, reroute the road over it and then place the bus station right outside the train station. I'd also improve the bus service to the main shopping areas and maybe put a tram loop in via Brown Street/Paternoster Row and Pinstone Street, possibly rejoining the network at the end of Leopold Street.

Have to agree on flattening the bus station, and incidentally any of these new Interchanges - they are nothing more than torture chambers designed to freeze unsuspecting passengers to death whilst they wait for often non existent buses!

Moving it alongside the the train station would also be a great improvement too. And whilst the water feature outside the station is an improvement, I personally would have much more appreciated moving staircases inside the station itself.

And your study with a sample size of only 2 people is statistically significant and couldn't just signify that your husband's eyesight has deteriorated naturally over that time but yours hasn't?

 

I am reliably informed that most people need reading glasses by my age (or bifocals if they already have distance lenses) so is the fact that I don't need them a sign that my optician hasn't persuaded my eyes to get worse? Or just that my eyes haven't followed the typical pattern- yet?

 

My distance vision prescription has also been identical for over 20 years, and surely if the lenses were making my vision more lazy that wouldn't happen either?

I've only written on here about myself and my husband, but all the people I've known to go to opticians, parents, family, friends, colleagues etc., only ever get worse.

Perhaps your optician isn't as greedy as the rest and you should recommend him/her to the rest of us.