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https://jme.bmj.com/content/47/2/78 I've put this link on the Forum for the ethicists who have the patience to read through it. For those people against "Compulsory Cov 19 Vaccination", the moral imperatives-in the article- supporting compulsion are what you will have to engage with. The philosophy driving the proposition is the most repugnant brand of Utilitarianism. Utilitarianism is the last resort of scoundrels. I'm against compulsion. I attribute a greater degree of altruism to people than the article credits people with. And good luck to everybody on the Forum, as you engage with the State :in the struggle to have control over what medical interventions you may be compelled to undertake. Note: bodily autonomy trumps any obligations to support the imperatives expressed by government. Next ,it will be everybody has to give a kidney-or else! Or mandated vasectomy-aaarrrrg !

Another variant . Are we going to go to plan "B" ?

Carbuncle, Thanks for those facts. Hope springs eternal, that medical science will make a breakthrough in the therapeutic presymptomatic treatment for Covid 19. https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/molnupiravir-covid-pill/ You might find the above link of interest. Respect to you.

This treatment looks promising. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59178291 The pill is a Protease Inhibitor. A question for any Virologists contributing to this Thread. Can what is known about antiretroviral medications; help in the discovery of pharmaceutical for the pre-symptoms treatment of Covid 19 ? If you can destroy the: Protease of a virus, stop it getting into cells and making its Genome -you've got it beat.

RJRB, Thanks for that interesting link.

Vax Passports in Scotland.England will be next. Will such measures only be temporary?

quote from Wired Los Angeles and Chicago schools will require that all employees get vaccinated The Los Angeles and Chicago school districts announced that all educators and school staff will have to be fully vaccinated by October 15, a strong statement coming from the second- and third-largest districts in the country. In LA, employees will also be tested regularly, while in Chicago they’ll be tested weekly until the vaccine deadline. Both states are also mandating that everyone wear masks inside of schools. Leaders of the national teachers’ unions have said they favor vaccine mandates but that they need to be negotiated at the local level. Could this happen in the UK?

To The_Daddy. I'd very much appreciate it if you could direct me to any scientific evidence, that supports your scepticism as to the safety and effectiveness of the vaccines-thank you. I've dug out this link for you-which I think you will find interesting. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/psychological-medicine/article/covid19-vaccine-hesitancy-in-the-uk-the-oxford-coronavirus-explanations-attitudes-and-narrativ My apology for the 404 error with the link. But I think you will be able to get to it through this link-fingers crossed. The link (Vac Hesitancy) is right at the bottom of the article. https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/science-blog/covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-uk

Top4718 I do not necessarily agree with the points you have been making. But this kind of language(BMJ) is an unfortunate polemic against any questioning of the experts. Tarring any questioning of the experts as "denalist","conspiracy" ,etc, is a polemic. The brandishing of ideology against any disagreement with them. We need to take a long hard and detailed look-marshalling all our intelligence and individual research- at what we are being told by the experts.

The vaccine probably activates your Debt Card and draws money out of you bank and pays it to Matt Hancock and his mates. That's what I'm telling my bank is the cause of my unauthorised overdraft. "It wasn't me governor. It was the vaccine".

https://www.hhs.gov/immunization/basics/work/protection/index.html Get vaccinated and protect your community.

God preserve us from "economic with the truth" toad Matt Hancock.

To, The DADDY, Give us a hint then. What is the total number of UK deaths where COVID19 is mentioned as a cause on the death certificate?

https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/everything-you-need-to-know-about-b-1-617-2-the-indian-variant-of-coronavirus/

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-mps-urge-ministers-to-maintain-ban-on-foreign-holidays-after-17-may-amid-variant-fears-1229377 Are we ever going to be able to travel abroad? As far as importing new variants. Well, they are already here. The virus spews them out interminably.

Makapaka Corona viruses spew out variants continuously-never ending. I think you are right. I was really looking forward to an unrestricted summer. But we cannot go one with restrictions indefinitely. How are we going to extricate ourselves from this dilemma ?

Reasons to be cheerful.

Pattricia Yes I had to pay-but it was worth it

Yosemite Sam. "Why did anyone ever listen to this guy ". Good points made about Ferguson. Your source is shown below. https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2020/05/08/so-the-real-scandal-is-why-did-anyone-ever-listen-to-this-guy/ As etiquette ,what you wrote should be in between inverted commas.Then I'll know it's a quote.

I had a number of sessions delivered by a trained medical practitioner. Yes it worked for me.

If the documents-digital or otherwise- can be faked. Then the real ones have no value whatsoever. It had to happen-it's the kind of world we live in. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-56489574

This is certainly good news.However, are we ever going to see the removal of restriction? Will politicians and public health officials ever let this crisis go ? There isn't a vaccine in the world that offers"complete protection". But will that fact be used to keep us in measures indefinitely? The only way out of measures-as far as I can see- is updated vaccines,annual vaccination-and boosters- and the embracing of the concept of societal acceptable risk of infection . The youth are already getting restless against measures.

Mr T Critical Reasoning.A Practical Introduction .3rd edition .Anne Thomson. Pub .Routledge. ISBN 10:0-415-44586-3, It does what it says on the cover. Practical exercises in reasoning. Well worth having on the bookshelf. Stay well.

The WHO announced on Thursday (last) that vaccination in Europe was not happening quickly enough to slow down transmission. New infections have risen for three straight weeks. And more people were dying from Cov-19 than a year ago. What on earth is going on ?

AKAMD, I got caught up in the Tottenham riots of 2011 (Conditional.Not on purpose but by circumstances-going home from friends). It was very,very scary. However, I agree with you.