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Is the report in the Independent underlying thesis of high quality or is it just sensationalism? The following link is (imo) worth a read. When I read the report in the Independent I thought that the authors must subscribe to, "We are a flawed species" and doomed to extinction by our own hand. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/04/25/another-dodgy-earth-day-ploy-hyping-flawed-and-failed-species-extinction-propaganda/

Padders, Just a historical point. The 70s was a period of unbridled pollution. We have come a long way since then. Gone are examples like the Love Canal.

Voice of Reason, You might find the principles of Deep Ecology attractive. Deep ecologists reckon they have the solutions: sustainability and simple living are just a couple of their ideas. But what puzzles me is how do we stop the likes of China from poisoning the atmosphere? http://www.politicscymru.com/en/cat6/article22/

Voice of Reason Then our industrialised society cannot continue? Those countries taking off into industrial economies must be held in check? Not everybody can have a car, a dishwasher, washing machine etc? Nobody is going to live on the Moon or Mars and nobody is going to live to 1000.

"Restoration/Deep ecologists "would argue for deindustrialisation and a return to " Villiage Life".

Top Cats Hat, That's comforting to know.

Top Cats Hat, The fraud you are describing seems to be on a global scale. I can see the day that the banks will no longer refund the money.

RollingJ. There's some sound advice in your thread so thank you. The email supplier is hotmail. I do not know if they have ever been hacked. I shall certainly follow your advice,vis-a-vis giving out my email address to retailers. I was scammed for £1000 by some tow rags in London. They got my debit card details and ran up a Grand on taxi fares round Lambeth and Wandsworth. I got the money.. refunded thankfully. I now do use online shopping-but the whole thing makes me nervous.

Rolling J. I don't have a facebook account and I never intend to have one. But someone emailed me and said they have my email address and password. The password they gave was an old one -no longer being used by me. Now how did they get that? I try to be protective of my personal details. I don't have online banking or telephone banking. I'm not on FaceBook or Twitter. But I use my debit card to pay for things-That information is then collected. When I booked into the Midland Hotel in Manchester they wanted my email address. Every B and B under the sun wants your personal details. It was discovered-not so long ago in Scotland-that a group of petrol stations were selling on customers card details to organised crime. One may be one's own gatekeeper. But your personal details are out there waiting for some bunch of criminals to target you. No matter how clever a person thinks they are at their own security, the crims are ahead of you. Today I had an email telling me there's $10 million waiting for me to collect! We live in crazy times. There isn't any security that cannot be breached by organised crime. One will be better off taking all your cash out of the bank and buying a safe -installing it at home- and sticking your money in it -so it goes.

Altus, In society today we are giving out our personal details right, left and centre. It's scooped up and is being used to scam people. I really don't see how it can be stopped. I now have a new email. Some stranger sent me an email saying they had my email address and password; When we give out our personal details we cannot be sure that they are held securely. It's a nightmare. If a stranger can get into your email or facebook account they can spread lies about you to everyone who is on your email or facebook account. It's more than a nightmare-it's monstrous.

V of R Getting back into well paid work, preferably yes. But people shouldn't have to live in poverty.

Ok , one should be vigilant. But it seems that the scammers are always one step ahead of the security systems. Then,of course, there's insider collusion with organised crime to gather up personal details and use it to defraud /scam people out of their money. I watched a programme where an elderly person explained how she was scammed out of her life savings. She explained that the scammers presented as completely legit. She had no way of telling that they were not kosher. She got her money back in the end. I was recently scammed out of £1000 . How it occurs I have no idea. My debt card had been used to pay for £1000 worth of taxi journeys in London. My debit card stays on my person up until I use it to pay for things. I am now very nervous about using my card and have gone back to using cash. A large proportion of scamming is undertaken by organised crime-and there appears to be no way of stopping the scammers and bringing them to justice. We now live in a society where we make a card payment for almost every purchase we make. All that data is gathered up and organised crime seems to be getting access to it.

Supporting Mr M's points: https://www.jrf.org.uk/press/half-million-more-people-poverty-if-government-maintains-benefits-freeze

Ms Macbeth, Thanks for the link. It makes for very interesting reading-particularly the references to the SMC.

Millennials will pay trillions over their lifetimes for global warming. The idea that you can just work your way out of poverty is conceited nonsense.

"Twenty-two per cent of those born between 1981 and 2000 are likely to be living in relative poverty in their late twenties – a higher proportion than any previous generation, the Resolution Foundation estimates " (Independent ). No wonder they are glueing themselves to things.

Will a landing of an astronaut on Mars be faked?

melthebell, Yes, goes very nicely with Camp coffee. A Gasses object cannot collapse. It's Eddington who proposed that the Sun is a gas.

The Sun, Gas or Condensed Matter?

Uplifting,

Pettyutom, Superb Jackie Wilson, I danced my little butt off in my teens to that music at Ashton -Under-Lyne Palace.

WiseOwl182, I think you place too much faith in "Market Forces". Maybe I'm pessimistic. I can't see a benevolent future society doling out the longevity to all and sundry. If you are old, frail and alone you are more likely to get the LCP. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2161869/Top-doctors-chilling-claim-The-NHS-kills-130-000-elderly-patients-year.html

How I see it is the following . If it became possible for a person to live for a thousand years,only the super rich will be able to access it. Consequently, it will not significantly contribute to overpopulating the plant. No need for sterilising. It's not for the likes of us. The super rich will be partying on sustained by your internal organs.

Blackydog, It has also been said that the first person to set foot on Mars has already been born\(Horizon programme. on living on Mars). So we are going to Mars

The Cambridge gerontologist Aubrey de Grey reckons we are making progress towards solving the mystery of the ageing process. Who knows? One argument against living for a thousand years doubts the durability of human identity. One may opt for a thousand but as the centuries pass you become vastly altered, physically and mentally. "Constantly re-engineered". The body would change shape, colour and proportion according to fashion, and the brain capacity would be boosted a hundredfold by neural implants. You would no longer be you. The pursuit of a thousand years is thus self-defeating-so it goes.