happyhippy

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While listening to Nick Parker tonight IIRC he said the judge mentioned that wednesday were running insolvent( I can't remember the exact words as i was doing something when he was on) . He was very indignant about it and said it was not true

The dictionary explanation for a company being solvent is

adj.. Capable of meeting financial obligations.

Now I believe paying VAT, PAYE ect are all part of meeting financial obligations so either

1) wednesday are capable of paying it and deliberately are refusing to pay or

2) they don't have the money and ARE insolvent

 

What do you wednesdayites think about it?

The quote from the judge which I've read is "You are clearly trading insolvently, and very probably with HMRC's money." - from Matt Slater's BBC blog.

Now I'm certainly not going to defend anything that has happened over on that side of the city, but you appear to miss the point.

The club is the focal point for the community of fans. As fans, and as bodies of fans, we are our own communities. Yes, it's incontravertible that clubs are businesses, and more so than ever before, but clubs breed a community, and by dint of that are part and the very embodiment of those communities.

All instant gravy should be banned on the grounds that it's a gloopy concoction of chemicals.

 

Make your own from the cooking juices. It will taste a lot better and you will know what is in it.

Which would be a gravy, as opposed to an instant one, I agree.

The other reason is that pork is extremely lean, and so gives off little fat. Chicken tends to give off little but water too. It's the fat which gives the sauce/jus/gravy, along with the bits of meat left behind.

A vegetable 'stock' with good condiments will always make a good vegetarian gravy though if you've no other juices to use, when reduced. Henderson's is an obligatory ingredient.

Could I have that in English please?

My ticket was got for me the other week ..... apparently .....

As someone who has worked in this world for many years, would anyone tell me what the difference is from the New Deal, unless unemployment now = a crime?

Yours, HH.

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Brian the Blade is about the only reason to listen to "Football Lunatics". He's as mad as a pint of chips, but at least provides some entertainment.

Given that there are a multitude of reasons why the Police may be about in any guise, in any area, varying from minor to highly serious, it would be confusing and unhelpful to have such a thread.

Thanks, and closing.

Poppy day will be banned soon enough for fear of offending those who we have gone to war with. Don't mention the Germans and god forbid we might offend our asian communities and their anti war pro terrorist clerics. Peace

Do you mean Armistice Day or Remembrance Sunday? I'm not aware of "Poppy Day", so as such I'm not sure how such a day could upset our Teutonic friends.

With a link from 2009 it's no wonder you're yawning, same old poppy day knocking threads pop up every year, ...yawn

Once again, someone disagrees with our resident insult hurler, and so he resorts to ignoring the case in point.

Pathetic.

Jon Snow is right to wear a poppy when he chooses within the time it is accepted to do so. I give to the Legion, but I see no reason why I should have to wear a poppy to show my thanks.

More to the point, it's absolutely nobody else's business as to whether I have or not donated. It's as simple as that.

Not having a dig here mate, but with Sheffield FC and Hallam FC being the first two clubs in the world, shouldn't that be that Wednesday are the "Hallam", not the other way round?

 

To be honest they have their own identity, Hallam FC, and as I say, a real ale boozer opposite, good enough!

Er, yeah! Hallam are more favoured by Wednesday, but Club are more favoured by United .... sorry if I didn't make that clearer

If you mean the Coach and Horses, that's outside Sheffield FC in Dronfield!

From which I can be fairly sure you've never been to a concert of theirs; and similarly, you'd never go to a Wednesday match. Your choices are to watch some other team, or watch nobody, but you cannot continue to be a Wednesday fan.

Not in the slightest. I can still be a Beatles fan, despite the band not existing. Wednesday fans can continue to be Wednesday fans, even if the club were not be extant. It really isn't difficult.

By definition, if the Owls ceased to exist there would no longer be any such thing as an Owls fan. (And arsy-varsy the Blades.)

Nope. They would be fans of a defunct club. The club wouldn't exist, but they still would. I'm a Beatles fan, but the band hasn't existed since before I was born.

Well watching Chesterfields goals on the TV last night, I might just start going anyway!!

 

And while we are at it, don't forget Hallam FC, another historic Sheffield club with a decent boozer opposite!

Indeed, and traditionally Hallam is the "Wednesday" team, and Club the "United" team. In fact, I remember the Hallam FC site having "Hi Ho Silver Lining" as its theme tune on the front page.

Thanks for taking the time and effort in you informative and interesting reply.

 

So, it appears CAMRA instigated change....but they weren't in a position to facilitate or prevent the large scale acquisition of these pubs....surely, only the government could do that?

Pretty much, but the Government at the time set the boundaries. CAMRA was never going to even have the faintest opportunity in keeping many regional breweries alive.

Let's face it, CAMRA is a pressure group, not a political party, but in retrospect I really do think we/they managed to do a lot of damage. Whilst a change in thought happened at a national level, it just meant that the people who had the whip hand (the breweries/pub owners) changed tack.

At the same time, people started to be able to do the 'booze cruises', and even later didn't need to as booze became cheaper in the supermarkets.

As far as the ownership of the pubs is concerned, the breweries owned them. So they sold off the breweries, and then became pub owning companies, with either the portfolio for the beer, or the lease on the land and/or buildings.

OK you are correct in that it was sold to Vaux in the '70's but it was still big business practices which lead to the closure of he brewery, when they tried to sell off a successful brewery and pub business.

After Vaux became Swallow Hotels group a management buyout of the former Vaux business which would have saved 3200 jobs the brewery and pub chain was being undertaken, but one of the companies directors went behing the back of the other board members to lobby the shareholders, saying that the MBO wouldn't raise as much as the closure of the breweries and the selling off of the assets, which lead to the closure of Wards in 1999.

 

Indeed a few years after the closure one of the directors or former directors

said in The Star that the whole thing had been a big mistake.

One of the biggest reps used to be a member of the Anti-Social club of which I'm a member, and was a Ward's outlet.

The point was that the brewery meant nowt, but the tied estate did. The same with Stones and Whitbread and their breweries.

Are you serious?....Tell me more....

I've said before extensively. We used to have six major brewers who had major tied estates. The problem was that smaller breweries found it difficult to buy pubs, or sell their beer in the free trade. CAMRA rightly objected to this, in my opinion.

When the big 'brewers' were told that they couldn't brew and have a load of pubs, "The MMC Report", they got rid of the breweries and concentrated on being pub owning operations. Hence ended locally brewed beer on a regional basis.

This was all on the back of A CAMRA campaign to have guest beers. Yes, guest beers were allowed, but it was effectively a cartel in the early 90's and a few years beforehand.

'Portfolios' were created to allow for a real ale (it had to be a real ale as a guest) between the big breweries, and then the breweries went as they weren't needed. Whitbread went as far as to create the embryonic "Hogshead" chain, having shut the Exchange Brewery despite an extensive refurbishment anyway.

"JD Wetherspoons" also jumped on the "buy beer" bandwagon.

Manufacturing plants of nitrokeg beers became the norm, and realistically are still as such. For the 'major' breweries, real ale is a side issue.

As such, we've actually gone back 25 years. We're exactly where we were before. Stones in taste and even strength is the same as Watney's Red Barrel was in the 70's.

There's no competition is there? Thanks to successive governments facilitating the grand-scale acquisitions by large property companies in the guise of pubcos.

Unfortunately started with CAMRA's best intentions ....

The Classic Rock bar a few doors up was a much bigger loss. Can't believe that just became some nasty fish and chip shop.

Money talks, so I gathered ....

Always found the Dev Arms a bit rough tbh - too many of the Exeter Drive residents went in there.

Not really. That said, Evie was the best Jolly Buffer/CRB supper of the lot .... in her 80s, and she'd still turn up no matter what band was on for her couple of glasses of sherry and and a half of Guinness!

Generally it has been poor esp since it lost it'sl ink with the Wards brewery, which was bought and criminally closed down by big business 10 years ago.

The pub was still busy on SUFC matchdays until relatively recently. When they were in the Premiership it was always packed.

The brewery wasn't bought and closed by big business in the slightest at that time! Ward's was bought by Vaux in the early 70s, nearly 30 years before its untimely demise. The pub itself was always something of a hole, but when the brewery was stil about, it had a certain allure.

It never even had all of the beers brewed over the road.

Equally, when we had our one season back in the sun, it was extensively promoted as an 'away' pub.

What you need to get your heads round is the fact that whilst McCabe is an astute businessman he is totally clueless as to appointing a decent manager.

I doubt that's the case. What really happened was he appointed one monstrosity of a manager as the main man at the helm. We've been picking up the pieces on the pitch ever since Barny Sornob arrived.

That said, wasn't he co-chief exec at the same time as Mike McDonald? Just after we lost to Palace at Wembley? Whilst having to add Heath (who had rescued the ex-Owl Waddle at Burnley as a manager and nearly gaining them promotion, before a shocking tenure in Sheffield) to the list, this would have to mean that his appointments include our most successful manager of the last 20 years.

I hope you still have your "Premiership Return" season ticket under your pillow as a keepsake.

Stelling is fantastic. Kamara is value too.